Challenging the Quran

The current Newsweek carries an article by a member of a newly emerging scholars who are begining to read the language and the origin of the Quran. The fallacies in the article are manyfold. It suffices to say that it would do no good unless responses to the magazine are not sent.

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**Response to “Challenging the Quran” Article in Newsweek 8/4/2003 - Religious Social Political -By: Dr. Maher Hathout **

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The article published in Newsweek (“Challenging the Quran,” July 28) defies categorization and hence troubles whoever may like to respond to it. It claims to draw on excerpts from academic research containing bomb shells" that could produce “a new interpretation of the Quran.” The article claims Professor Luxenberg’s is “likely to be the most far reaching scholarly commentary on the Quran’s genesis, taking this infant discipline far into uncharted and highly controversial territory.” Who is Luxenberg? An unknown scholar writing under a pseudonym. The “scholar” is hiding his name for fear of repercussions, despite the fact that several people have written on the same subject in the past and present without taking such a precaution. The professor works at an unnamed “leading German university” and his research is acclaimed by “Moudher Sfar” - probably another pseudonymed scholar from Tunisia we’ve never heard of. So much for academic credibility. Pending availability of the original paper and the author’s real name, this is little more than a pseudo-academic piece published in a non-academic magazine. Thus, any response must pick through the bits and pieces scattered on the pages of Newsweek and conduct a point-by-point analysis. Describing Luxenberg as one of a small but growing group of scholars studying the language and history of the Quran is amazingly wrong. For 1400 years, there have always been groups in the East and West of Muslims and non-Muslims, faithful and skeptical, who wrote volumes about the history and language of the Quran. The unknown author here is neither a pioneer nor a hero. Muslim scholars, including the likes of the Muatazelite school, Imam Zamakhshari, Al-Tabary, and countless scholars (of various readings of the Quran) are hard to count. There are also so many Western scholars and Orientalists who wrote about the subject in abundance that some of them would be restless in their graves if they read the claims in Newsweek. The article surmises that “translations of the Quran are never considered authentic.” Translations are judged as either accurate or inaccurate. No translation is authentic. When you translate Shakespeare to French or Voltaire to English, you may be accurate or not but the work will never be authentic, simply because it is not what was said by the original author. To make this sound like a peculiarity for the Quran or a particular thinking of Muslims lacks academic objectivity. Luxenberg’s chief hypothesis is that the original language of the Quran was not Arabic, but “something close” to Aramaic. What is the meaning of “something close?” What is it? Where is it? Who would understand it? Who will understand something close to English or German? These are questions that any semi-academic mind would ask. He asserts that Arabic as a language and system of writing was not developed until 150 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad. This strange assertion contradicts the major volume of pre-Islamic poetry, which is used even today to help in understanding and interpreting the Quran. This poetry includes seven famous pieces that students study in middle schools throughout the Arab world, known as “Al Muallaquat.” This refers to poems that were hung on the walls of the Kaaba as exhibitions of the best literary work in the pre-Islamic era. (The Kaaba, a cubic temple, has always been attributed by Arabs to the patriarch prophet, Abraham.) It also contradicts the Encyclopedia of Literature by Merriam-Webster, which states, “The intermittent revelations to Muhammad were first memorized by followers and used in ritual prayers, although verses were later written down during the Prophet’s lifetime.” We have in Al-Azhar library a manuscript “explaining the unusual styles in the Quran” written by Imam Sagistani 153 years after the migration to Medina, in perfect classical Arabic. When we look to what is known as Christian Aramaic, we notice that Jesus spoke in Aramaic, while the gospels are written in Greek. It is far fetched that the Gospel would be written in Greek while the Quran would be written in Aramaic. We notice that Christian Aramaic, “which is actually the Syrian language was the literally language of the City of Edessa (now Urfa in Southeast Turkey) became the tongue of the entire eastern wing of the church from about the third century C.E. down until past the Muslim conquest.” Obviously the Muslim conquest was carrying with it the Arabic Quran. So the process upon which the rereading of the verses in Aramaic is false and as Muslims jurists wisely say, “what is built on fallacy is false.” Then he talks about “houris,” which are allegorically symbolic beings of bliss in paradise, as being raisins and fruits. It is his prerogative but this does not provide anything supernatural to look forward to the life of eternity. It seems that what he was referring to as raisins is “kawaib.” He challenges what he claims as the Arabic meaning of “beings with swollen breasts,” while if he had known Arabic, he would have understood the term as “beings of distinction.” For this translation, we refer him to a real Austrian scholar on the language of the Quran, later known as Muhammad Asad (Review The Message of the Quran). The claim that the Quran’s commandment to women in surah 24 to “snap their scarves over their bags” becomes in Aramaic “snap their belts around their waists.” I challenge the professor to show us where he brought this verse of snapping from? Quran is available and surah 24 is easy to read. In the Newsweek article, Luxenberg writes, “Even more explosive are the readings that strengthen scholars’ views that the Quran had Christian origins. Surah 33 calls Muhammad the ‘seal of the prophets.’ In Aramaic, the word ‘seal’ means witness so he must be a witness of the Prophets.” We really don’t need all these ac robatics to prove a meaning that has been mentioned clearly in several areas of the Quran. Muhammad was a witness just as believers are witnesses, and Muhammad followed the good models of other prophets who came to testify for and confirm the truth they brought from God to humanity. So where is the brilliant discovery? A similar case can be made for the arguments around the word “revelation.” The author had to go to Aramaic or what he calls “something closer to Aramaic” to inform us that it actually means “teaching” of the ancient scriptures. He may be referring to the word “wahye” in Arabic, which means teaching, revelation, suggestion, setting instinct, putting the law of order to things, intuitive ideas, outbursts of thoughts and creativity. Wahye described scriptures, the nature of the heavens and earth, the instinct of the bees, the flow of poetry, etc. So there is no new “revelation” that Luxenberg is bringing here. What Newsweek slips in about Egyptian court, Nasre AbuZaid, Fatwa, etc. is opportunistic journalism, not fitting the standard of the magazine.

**Dr. Maher Hathout is the senior advisor the Muslim Public Affairs Council, and spokesperson for the Islamic Center of Southern California. **

People may challenge the Qur'an, as the Qur'an suggests that, so I say let them challenge it. They will find out in due time the truth anyway.

^ The truth? YOu mean...the truth as you see it. Not the universal truth. Do come correct next time.

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
^ The truth? YOu mean...the truth as you see it. Not the universal truth. Do come correct next time.
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what is universal truth? Muslims believe Quran as word of God and unchanged for 1400 years.. u may believe in anything u want.. dont jump on anything muslims believe.. as we dont care what u believe in.. so plaese leave us to believe in what we believe not what u believe.. which is not universal too.. u can go believe in any God or as many u like.. as usla u jump at other beliefs..

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
^ The truth? YOu mean...the truth as you see it. Not the universal truth. Do come correct next time.
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Matty, everyone believes in their own truths. I was speaking relative to everyones own beliefs, me to mine, and you to yours, etc. smile

There is a difference between faith and truth. No should question anyone;s faith. But the moment you start attaching universally accepted concepts as "truth" to faith, then that faith which is according to your beliefs becomes a lie because it opposes other "faiths".

DO learn to discern the difference..

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
There is a difference between faith and truth. No should question anyone;s faith. But the moment you start attaching universally accepted concepts as "truth" to faith, then that faith which is according to your beliefs becomes a lie because it opposes other "faiths".

DO learn to discern the difference..if not...maybe someone can translate thisinto arabic for you Degas.
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Do NOT question our faith and what we should and shouldn't believe in. ** edited **

religion is faith.... it doesnt mean its the truth... our believing in the unseen is faith.. our existence is truth..

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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
religion is faith.... it doesnt mean its the truth... our believing in the unseen is faith.. our existence is truth..
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sadzz bro: That could be true with other religions, I think not with Islam. Islam is truth and all truth but nothing else.

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*Originally posted by teaser: *

sadzz bro: That could be true with other religions, I think not with Islam. Islam is truth and all truth but nothing else.
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but its faith that makes us believe that thats the truth right? if it wasnt for faith.. would anyone really say that the Quran was the truth? faith and truth go hand in hand.. one cant exist without the other..

signed: sister sadzzz

Quran is an ultimate example of being ''Perfect'', nothing told in ti is wrong as it is the Last word of Allah Almighty to us humans

Even if one forgets for a minut the beautiful language, poetry in it used, when one objectively observes the content, there is also proove of scientific knowledge we are today finding out with help of modern technology, and this was unchanged and revealed so many centuries ago. Even that should be enough proove to know that this isn't just a believe, but the real Truth. How could anyone explain the scientific knowledge in the Quran that people are only finding out today?

What is Quran?

  1. There are at least 70% verses attributed to the behavior and character of those who reject Islam. In many verses the Allah, Muslim God, says that there is no use to impress the non-believers (non-Muslims), because they are liars, deaf and dumb and they all are cursed by Allah and are supposed to be tortured by Allah in hell as the Allah is the AllKnower, very Kind and Merciful.

  2. Some verses are attributed to civilize the life of 7th century Arabs. The Prophet asks them to wash themselves daily, off course poor Arabs had always water problem.
    The Prophet has asked them to behave with women properly to some extent. For 7th century the woman was a material. Even some of the verses are just like police and justice code of conduct for 7th century Arabs.
    The Prophet has asked them to correct their eating habits.

  3. For conquered, there is only one option, that is to accept peace at the (Muslim) conditions, otherwise just punish them or kill them, and after Allah will take note of them in hell.

  4. If there is any science, I assure you that Madrisa Mullahs have made fool of you from the childhood.
    Study Quran (not mere reading) and you will understand the complete Truth.

Muslims play a very tricky game. If you reject their definitions, you are obliviously ignorant. Or real Quran is in Arabic. (God deliberately limited Quran to a few?)

Islamic Militants are real Muslims, following Quran in true spirit. Rest of the Muslims live in their shadow.
Whoever challenges Quran, is accused of ignorance, but these people have never accused the militants of ‘ignoranc’.

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*Originally posted by ahmadarsalan: *
Quran is an ultimate example of being ''Perfect'', nothing told in ti is wrong as it is the Last word of Allah Almighty to us humans
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If it is the last word of God and the ultimate example of "perfect", why does one have to wade through thousands of hadiths to find guidance? Why do mere mortals have the task of distinguishing between those narrations which are the wishes of God and those concocted by unscrupulous liars or at minimum with less than exceptional memory skills?

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *

Study Quran (not mere reading) and you will understand the complete Truth.

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My dear cousin this was the best advice ever.

May GOD reward you for your advice.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
If it is the last word of God and the ultimate example of "perfect", why does one have to wade through thousands of hadiths to find guidance? Why do mere mortals have the task of distinguishing between those narrations which are the wishes of God and those concocted by unscrupulous liars or at minimum with less than exceptional memory skills?
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very well put.... i wanna know the answer too.. if Quran is the ultimate truth why do find so many muslims referencing hadiths but not the Quran.. when people dont understand the Quran, they go find a hadith that makes sense to them... why?

This website might help one learn the authenticity of quran… Quran talks about things that science has discovered now and still trying to discover.

There are several other miracles, which can be found on net…

Whoever challenges the Quran will learn the truth eventually. If that person is lucky it will be within this lifetime. If not very lucky then it will be in the afterlife.

As far as intellectual discussions on Quran, other books, are concerned, I would welcome them as long as the other party is someone who will listen to reason and logic, understand history and have the desire to learn, and not just argue.

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
There is a difference between faith and truth. No should question anyone;s faith. But the moment you start attaching universally accepted concepts as "truth" to faith, then that faith which is according to your beliefs becomes a lie because it opposes other "faiths".

DO learn to discern the difference..
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IF there is a difference between "your" faith and truth, then you have to look at what faith you belong to. Because for muslims truth and faith are the same.

If the truth and faith are different, then you have been living a life of lies, either when you pray ( to which ever god you do ) or when you go about living your daily life.

Since for Mulsims the universal truth and faith are the same , and our faith teaches us the "universal truth", then we must belong to the true religion.

Matsui : Eat your words and learn to understand logic before you ask others to learn to discern the difference.

^ That makes no sense in any language. Do learn english, the meaning of the term :universal", “Truth” and :faith" cna then come back.

If for muslims truth and faith are the same thing, then they need a new dictionary.

Pata nahin..kahaan, kahaan se.. :rolleyes: