May Allah give you guidance.
Of course if you have faith in something you believe it to be the truth. You'd be foolish to have faith in something you didn't believe. But that still doesn't make it THE truth. Or the ONLY truth.
truth and faith are not the same thing... but they compliment one another..
The problem (or feature if you prefer) of Quron seems to be that no two 'Quronic scholoars' seem to agree on what it means - this is not surprisingly a fact in those countries where Islam and Legislation are comingled (in that you find a lot less controversy in countries like India where Muslims simply practice the religion instead debating the heck out of it, perhaps because there isno need to prove rank in the court of Allah to be elected to office).
Rest of the world of Muslims will go to Saudi Arabia as the seat of Islam yet when appropriate, denounce the Wahabi interpretation of Quron.
The ruling junta and the religious parties in support of the ruling junta will support the Taleban's interpretation of the Quron except when the going gets tough.
The Ayatolah Khomeini & co will swear their interpretations are the most comprehensive of Quron, yet when Rushdie dares to qrite about a handful of disagreeable verses, out goes the Fatwa.
Everybody is an expert. Everyone just simply knows. Anthing goes right, ah - here is scientific proof that Quron is ultimate truth. Anything goes wrong - ah, I never agreed with that 'interpretation' anyway.
As a practicing non-muslim let me just say this - my heart goes out for those poor souls - the true Muslims who practice Islam for the moralities their parents taught them - they are getting quite confused with the din of this rancour and contrarian definitions.
You ought to set some limit on how many Imams and mullahs and maulanas are allowed to speak about Islam on the web.
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The problem (or feature if you prefer) of Quron seems to be that no two 'Quronic scholoars' seem to agree on what it means - this is not surprisingly a fact in those countries where Islam and Legislation are comingled (in that you find a lot less controversy in countries like India where Muslims simply practice the religion instead debating the heck out of it, perhaps because there isno need to prove rank in the court of Allah to be elected to office).
Rest of the world of Muslims will go to Saudi Arabia as the seat of Islam yet when appropriate, denounce the Wahabi interpretation of Quron.
The ruling junta and the religious parties in support of the ruling junta will support the Taleban's interpretation of the Quron except when the going gets tough.
The Ayatolah Khomeini & co will swear their interpretations are the most comprehensive of Quron, yet when Rushdie dares to qrite about a handful of disagreeable verses, out goes the Fatwa.
Everybody is an expert. Everyone just simply knows. Anthing goes right, ah - here is scientific proof that Quron is ultimate truth. Anything goes wrong - ah, I never agreed with that 'interpretation' anyway.
As a practicing non-muslim let me just say this - my heart goes out for those poor souls - the true Muslims who practice Islam for the moralities their parents taught them - they are getting quite confused with the din of this rancour and contrarian definitions.
You ought to set some limit on how many Imams and mullahs and maulanas are allowed to speak about Islam on the web.
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and now we need advice from Maulana Tommy Boy :D Is ur faith and religion perfect that ur giving advice to muslims? Is ur faith is practiced in such harmony and without schism.. can u please explain ur faith here then tell us what to do?
Originally posted by ahmadarsalan:
Quran is an ultimate example of being ''Perfect'', nothing told in ti is wrong as it is the Last word of Allah Almighty to us humans
Seminole
If it is the last word of God and the ultimate example of "perfect", why does one have to wade through thousands of hadiths to find guidance? Why do mere mortals have the task of distinguishing between those narrations which are the wishes of God and those concocted by unscrupulous liars or at minimum with less than exceptional memory skills?
So ru saying its perfect Shame On u. Its the word of God get who created u me, ur brain(us it plz),this world. So how can some thing he say not b perfect
^^ And by the way hadith is some thing holy prophet said in General ( its his every day Talk), when he tried to explain the matters of life.
And how can u say tht Holy Prophet is mere mortal, we all are his slave, he saved us from the blazing fires of hell, he cried 4 us day and night, asking his lord to 4give us and and this i show u repay him by call him mere mortal ( in ur stylish version of Angrazi of urs)
Alah Almighty made him PBUH as his friend, he loved him so so much he made his ummat the best and blessed them with ever green Gardens of Hevans, and this is what u have to say abt ur benifector.
If this s it , there is no doubt that i some years, u wil b saying some thing bad behind ur Parents NO DOUBT bec Allah Almighty said If u want to love me love my Habib( Mohammad PBUH)
Come on GS ppl shame.no body no body corrected him..Where is this world going Where these humans forget their Master, their Benifector
Plz yar Seminole think.:).... and dont talk in fancy english... my english is not good..talk simpl- stright..( and i cant b bothered usind a dictionary)
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and now we need advice from Maulana Tommy Boy :D Is ur faith and religion perfect that ur giving advice to muslims? Is ur faith is practiced in such harmony and without schism.. can u please explain ur faith here then tell us what to do?
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What makes you think I have some competing faith?
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What makes you think I have some competing faith?
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I am a wizard!
A wrong one, unfortunately. Can we get on with addressing the message rather than the messenger?
Sigh...
Why are we debating the merits of the Quran, the truth and such? I had posted the material that was in direct response to an article in the popular media. Everyone here has acted in mostly Muslim fashion - that of debating within themselves. NONE of whatever is being discussed is the issue here and is just "noise" for all practical purposes. The noise that we keep getting caught up in is keeping us from facing the world.
On every turn and crossing, Muslims are best in debating within themselves, arguing within themselves, putting down each other and raising the walls of nationality, geography, sects, beliefs, etc. There has, yet, to be unity within Muslims before we can afford to face the world that is hell-bent is obliterating us or making life miserable for us.
I wonder who actually acted as a Muslim and rose to write to Newsweek. That is who you have to direct your ire to, that is who you have to question, this is who you have to pay attention - a popular media magazine writing about our Quran and, thus, our faith. I wish I had found the actual article.... but I had thought the response had enough material to shed light on what the article said.
It is an amazing thing to watch Muslims beat their chest for the conditions they are in in America but they refuse to rise up and defend themselves, their faith and their beliefs against popular belief that we are terrorists and how the Quran teaches us to kill all non-believers. It's a open season on Musilms and we have all the time in the world to discuss the intricacies of our beliefs.
For as long as we don't unit, which by the on going discussion in this thread seems a far cry, the real enemy of Islam and Muslims are not Bush, not Blair, not Putin, not Chirac, not anyone. The real enemy is withing. The enemy of Islam and Muslims are you and me for no one in world can do anything to us if we don't allow them to. But can we ever unit?
Islam and science is a tricky game of words. I think that knowledge of geography makes sense for a scientist.
But for very unknown reason the author of Quran was very poor in geography.
Dear Jannu, it is a problem of Islam. When you have right to seek direction from a particular book, you manipulate this book and its dogmas in your favor and conflict begins when different Muslims define this book and its dogmas as per their personal needs.
jannu your heart is in the right place.. but unless we have these debates here.. amongst ourselves there is no point trying to 'counter' allegations against us.
We have to wipe our religion clean of bigotry, contradictions, hypocricy and inaction before we can present a face to others with pride... no point writing to the author before the whole islamic ummah can bring themselves to accept criticism of their religion without going for the jugular of whoever attempts it.