Challenge to Sunni and Shia folks !

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Convince me that I am wrong, or accept these facts burried deeply by our Ancestors :-

For Sunni :-

Why sunni add ‘Hazrat’ and ‘:razi:’ while using the name of Ameer Muawiya ??

It is very much available in authentic history that he started most notorious sick tradition of cursing a very noble companion and marvelous muslim leader, Hazrat Ali Karam Allah wajhu.

I have lost respect for him some time ago, and I can not add any faulty prayer for him like " May Allah be pleased with him " due to above mentioned unislamic, sick tradition started by him and followed by his family untill one noble muslim ruler ended it. His name was Hazrat Umar Bin Abdul Aziz :razi:
IMO he was the only rightly guided caliph in that family , Bani Umayya And 5th and last one for muslims of Arabia. I fully respect him.

***For Shia : - ***

***Why do Shia follow this rotten tradition of Ameer Muawya ; cursing noble companions of prophet (PBUH) ***

No matter how much you try to hide this fact but it is loud and clear that no body ever dared to say such things except Ameer Muawya ( and his followers) during initial Islamic period. He made it a compulsory tradition during his rule.

Why do you (or other shia folks) follow tradition of such a person who is considered enemy of Islam by your forefathers and yourself ???

ps. Please do not paste lengthy coppied stuff. My mind is under repair, can not read lengthy posts. thanks

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one of the prominent muslim scholars said, 'The dust that entered the nose of Hadrat Muawiya's (radi-Allahu ta'ala 'anh) horse while he was riding beside Rasulullah was more beneficial than Uwais al-Qarani and 'Umar ibn 'Abd al-'Aziz.'

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*Every Muslim invokes the curse of Allah on the hypocrites, who were Muslims only to hurt Islam from the inside, when reading Quran:

Munafiqoon verse 4
'When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!"

*And Allah himself curses the people who annoy Allah and his Messenger.

Ahzab verse 57 reads "Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment."

And Allah himself is asking the Prophet to demand love for the people of his pure household:

Shura verse 23 "That is (the Bounty) whereof Allah gives Glad Tidings to His Servants who believe and do righteous deeds. Say: "No reward do I ask of you for this except the love of those near of kin." And if any one earns any good, We shall give him an increase of good in respect thereof: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Ready to appreciate (service)."

So anybody who hurt the pure people of the household of the Prophet or came to war with them comes under the curse of Allah (swt).

Anthing more than this is unwated in my opinion.

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Come to Pakistan and say that in NWFP…lol and you will know why Muslims use this title before him…Hahaha…hahaha…
Yaar this is the reason why Talibans kick your backs…caz you are insultive towards sahaba

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And that horse would probably enter jannah because of that. :) Its the rider who will rot on the other side forever for the crimes he committed.

BTW, Codey Mian, theres a trend among "muslims" now a days. They have added "radi-Allahu ta'ala 'anh" to yazid's name. And you say shia insult/degrade sahaba?

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Wow. I am surprised to see ur interpretation zer01. That the horse will enter the jannah and the person riding on it behind Rasulullah will not enter. You mean that Muslim scholor described the great horse and ignored the Person.

Yazeed should be cursed on the basis of what he did.
But this has nothing to do with Hazrat Ameer muawya (R.A)

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It was beside not behind and that muslim scholar prolly is a nasibi. And dont get surprised. Its his fate in the light of Quran and Prophet's (s) saying for the crimes he committed. One of them is killing a prominent pious sahabi like Hz. Hujr Ibn Adi (ra) for refusing to curse Imam Ali (as).

Its Allah's (swt) promise that whoever kills a momin will be thrown in hell. The people who respect him and put "radi-Allahu ta'ala 'anh" after his name are actually against the justness of Allah (swt).

Amen to that :)

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The Shia's Must learn to respect Sahaba. The grudge of Shia for prominent companions of The Prophet peace be upon him would not be tolerated in Pakistan.

I request Shias of this forum to please show restraint and not say bad about Sahaba.

Thanks

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^ seems it hurts you a lot when someone syas "Yazeed should be cursed on the basis of what he did." :)

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People who curse Sahaba are doomed and distined to beat themselves till eternity. Allah works in mysterious ways......those who say bad to sahaba do self mutialation- A **Punishment from God and a sign for us all.**
continue with your matum.... and remain in agony and pain , with that being said...I rest my case

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^^ Bitter Reality is that shia's do not curse sahaba.

Sahaba means a companion or friend. Please stop apply double standards to shias, they curse only those never acted like true friends.

As far as matam is concerned, it is an individuals freedom to chose the way of expressing his devotion. As long as it doesnt violate your personal space, you have no right to object.

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Sunni problem is that a Sahabi is not rated based on their emaan rather it is based on just the fact that they were in the company of Rasool pbuh or they have seen him even just once. The sahih bukhari and muslim both narates that;

The messenger of God, talking to his companions, said, "On the Day of Judgment, some of my Umma (community) will be taken to the left, and I will say; "to where ?". I will be told "to the Hell fire" I will say; "God, these were my (Sahaba) companions." I will be told that "You do not know what they invented after you. They turn back on their heel since you left them." I will say' " To destruction, destruction to those who changed things after me"

even Quran says many times about companions;

[9:74] "They swear by GOD that they never said it, although they have uttered the word of disbelief; they have disbelieved after becoming submitters. In fact, they gave up what
they never had. They have rebelled even though GOD and His messenger have showered them with His grace and provisions. If they repent, it would be best for them. But if they turn away, GOD will commit them to painful retribution in this life and in the Hereafter. They will find no one on earth to be their lord and master."

[9:75] "Some of them even pledged: "If GOD showered us with His grace, we would be charitable, and would lead a righteous life."

[9:76] "But when He did shower them with His provisions, they became stingy, and turned away in aversion."

[63:1] "When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD."* GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars. "

[47:16] "Some of them listen to you, then as soon as they leave they ask those who were enlightened, "What did he just say?" GOD thus seals their hearts and, consequently, they
follow only their opinions."

[33:12] "The hypocrites and those with doubts in their hearts said, "What GOD and His messenger promised us was no more than an illusion!"

[9:58] "Some of them criticize your distribution of the charities; if they are given therefrom, they become satisfied, but if they are not given therefrom, they become objectors."

[9:61] "Some of them hurt the prophet by saying, "He is all ears!" Say, "It is better for you that he listens to you. He believes in GOD, and trusts the believers. He is a mercy for those among you who believe." Those who hurt GOD's messenger have incurred a painful retribution."

Not all Sahabi were good and you all know that, but some of you still consider them more pious then Ahlulbait and this is because of the blood lineage.

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did Abu Lahabs close proximity to the Prophet save him from Allah's wrath? He was not only a Sahabi by your defenation but also Rasool Allahs real uncle.

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u think ur force of bunch of illetrate, homosexuals can harm us in anyway? the day Shias started to resist, u will know why we follow Ali Ibn Abi Talib (just ask ur mates who attacked Parachinar).

while ur "jihadi" against the innocents including women, children, and the old fellow Muslims continues; it is the lover of the Ahlay Bayt fighting for the cause of Sunni/Wahabi Palestine against the Jews. D see the difference?

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Sunni Jihadi spend more time declaring Muslims as Non Muslims than actually converting Non Muslims into Muslims.

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Prophet :saw2: said ***Khairul quroon qarni, summal lazina yaluna hum, summal lazina yaluna hum ***

Best of the best age is of him and his sahaba. when we doubt any of those sahabas, we doubt the claim of Rasool-e-Allah :saw2:

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Prophet :saw2: was referring to only the sahaba with strong eeman. Prophet :saw2: did not go against the Quran’s teaching and when Quran says the following then how can you even imagine that prophet :saw2: meant every sahaba.

[63:1] "When the hypocrites come to you they say, “We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD.”* GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars. "

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All the sahabas were people of strong eeman, having personal differences did not make them people of weaker eeman.

The ayaa you quoted is about Munafiqeen, not about Sahaba. The people who are refered as Sahaba are the one who were his companion in eemaan. All of them, every single one of them was better in eeman than any other muslim that ever come after them. That is true for Hazrat Ameer Ma'aaviyaa also, unless you are implying that he was a hypocrite.

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Bukhary defined the Sahaby (single of Sahaba) as the one who was in the company of the prophet Muhammed or just SEEN him. Ibn Hanbal who also has a book of his own collecting more Hadiths than Bukhary accepted this definition and clarified it by saying ; "The Sahaby is anyone who accompanied the Prophet for a year, a month, a day or even an hour or even just seen him."

This defination does not say anywhere that "Sahaba are the one who were his companion in eemaan".

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If comapnion in eeman was not a requirement then according to your definitaion, Abu Jehal and Abu Lehab were also sahabis