We have seen in a house of a deceased, there are many rituals like distribution of rice by the brother(s) of deceased woman, mourn for 40 days, all relatives get-together at the house of a deceased and stay their for 40 days etc.
It is forbidden to mourn for a dead person for more then three days. However, in case of a deceased husband a woman should mourn for four months and ten days. Except that a woman who believes in Allah and the last day shoudn’t mourn for more than three days.
So those who do Chalessva as known in Pakistan, is correct or wrong? Share your views.
وَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا أَسَفَىٰ عَلَىٰ يُوسُفَ وَابْيَضَّتْ عَيْنَاهُ مِنَ الْحُزْنِ فَهُوَ كَظِيمٌ {84}
[12:84] And he turned away from them, and said: O my sorrow for Yusuf! and his eyes became white on account of the grief, and he was a repressor (of grief).
There are no specific islamic laws which say that one can or can not mourn for such and such number of days at the death of a relative. Mourning is a natural process, not a sin, and not something that can be controlled like that quantitively.
Grief is a natural reaction which occurs whenever some close to us is gone. So if you are sad and depressed from the inside, then there is not much one could do in terms of hiding it. However going to extremes such as being impatient or shelving your whole life is something that is discouraged by the Prophet (saww).
When Khadija (sa) passed away, Prophet Mohammad (saww) declared that year as "the year of mourning". That is a fact recorded in all the books of history and accepted by all.
I dont know if a chaleeswan is right or wrong (as per Shariah), but I dont see any issue with it (per se) as the people only read Quran's/pray for the deceased.
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Pakistan mein sirf chaleesvan ni hota , teeja (after 3 days) , satta (after 7 days), gyarhwan (after 11 days) n pta ni kia kia !
So that dznt means k ye sb krna chahyein as Islam ka inse koi talluq ni hai n ye sb as said Bidda'a hain
Chalessvan , islam has it as there are amals at the time of burial , after the burial, thursday nights and on the 40th day Cheleum and I have heard or maybe read , I can't remember where, that the dead soul goes through something in grave . As for pakistan , people used to come from far to give condolences on the dead and so food was to be provided so instead of everyday, people nassigned the 3rd day or the 7 or whichever suits them to recite quran / surah /naats instead of talking of the dead or backbiting /gossiping
It all depends on communities and the family tradition but chalessvan of now in pakistan is no longer like this , its more of rasam ravaj etc and in some places in pakistan its more of outdoing each other like food, how many quran Ka Katam/ women competing in clothes / who was invited for naats reciting etc etc
If we start counting biddah's the list will not end. Biddahs also have different types.
nope! there is NO good bid'a...ALL bid'aat are bad and a great sin. acoording to the Hadees:
“kullu bid'atin dalala wa kullu dalalatin fin-naar “
"Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance leads to the hellfire"
According to the salafis, even following Imams (Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki and Shafi)is a bi'dah that means 99 % of Muslims are biddatis to put it bluntly.
According to the salafis, even following Imams (Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki and Shafi)is a bi'dah that means 99 % of Muslims are biddatis to put it bluntly.
Brother Ali, i'm not here to argue back N forth as it would be waste of our energy and time...i said what i know about the subject and it's up to the readers to decide what they think about it and it's their responsibility to research further...right? May Allah guide us ALL to the right path...aameen.
^ I agree, thats why I mentioned in my post 8 that the list of bi'dahs is very long. If one is wrong so are the others. Each and every sects does bidahs but considers them right as per their understanding. I can even post bidahs done by salafis.
Can people you know come over and recite the Quran on the 39th day? What if 40th day is not a good time for everyone to come over? Or the 5th or 6th day, if 7th day is not suitable for others? With due respect to everyone, I think it's important not to get hung up on specific dates that have no foundation in Hadiths or a command from within Quran. Other good actions can be done for the deceased any time, and throughout after their passing away. Such as making up the fasts they may have missed, performing Hajj on their behalf, paying off their debts if they had any, and other things.
Guidance should be from Quran and Sunnah alone. It's like going back to the Madhabs thread all over again; every Scholar's opinion is, or at least I hope is derived from Quran and Sunnah and thus open to interpretation and discussion. What has no clear foundation in Sunnah or Quran should be taken with caution, unless there's an established tradition from the three generations that followed Rasool Allah (s.a.w.); namely Khulfa-e-Raashideen. Just my perspective on it.
^ I am not discounting the fact that this is bidah.
The thing is that for us everything others do is bidah and sinful.
For some praying at shrines, qul and chaleeswan are bidahs for others tableeghi ijtimah, seh Rozas and chillas are biddah.
For some taqleed of four imams is bidah, and they themselves follow ibn tamiyyah, Abdul Wahab or scholars of today. What about blindly following Saudia in terms of ascertaining start and end of Ramadan?
Can people you know come over and recite the Quran on the 39th day? What if 40th day is not a good time for everyone to come over? Or the 5th or 6th day, if 7th day is not suitable for others? With due respect to everyone, I think it's important not to get hung up on specific dates that have no foundation in Hadiths or a command from within Quran. Other good actions can be done for the deceased any time, and throughout after their passing away. Such as making up the fasts they may have missed, performing Hajj on their behalf, paying off their debts if they had any, and other things.
Guidance should be from Quran and Sunnah alone. It's like going back to the Madhabs thread all over again; every Scholar's opinion is, or at least I hope is derived from Quran and Sunnah and thus open to interpretation and discussion. What has no clear foundation in Sunnah or Quran should be taken with caution, unless there's an established tradition from the three generations that followed Rasool Allah (s.a.w.); namely Khulfa-e-Raashideen. Just my perspective on it.
Allah knows best.
yes, but sawm and salaat can NOT be offered by anyone for the deceased.
Yesterday I was watching a video of an Indian ex imam who has converted to Christianity. He was saying that Muslims pray five times a day, fast for a month each year and do hajj once in a lifetime but still they don't have guarantee of being forgiven. These kind of debates just strengthen Christians point of view. One can do whatever which in their belief is to seek forgiveness from Allah but it would still remain sinful in the eyes of others of the same religion.
Prophet married hazrat saudah in the same year if i remember correctly.
i think it was not full year of mourning, rather just that this year muslims and our beloved prophet:saw2: had to suffer losses of his beloved family members it was called year of grief.
it by no means justify the bidats of chalisvan,teeja, barsee etc. i dont think our prophet:saw2: in his life time ever had bursee of these people.
:jazak: for your input. Purpose of my thread wasn’t that we point on each others but to know that what is the history/reality behind 40 day aka Chalessva. Here is some information which I found and that is what caused me to open this thread. Maybe or maybe not the below practice is emerged into our religion and that is why maybe or maybe not we are practicing Chalessva either knowingly or unknowingly.
Orthodox Christians usually hold the funeral either the day after death or on the third day, and always during the daytime. Special prayers are held on the third, seventh or ninth (number varies in different national church), and 40th days after death; the third, sixth and ninth or twelfth month; and annually thereafter in a memorial service, for up to three generations.
Sometimes men in mourning will not shave for the 40 days. Forty seems to have recurring pre-Judaic origins e.g. in the Rites of Persephone. In Greece and other Orthodox countries, it is not uncommon for widows to remain in mourning dress for the rest of their lives.
When an Orthodox bishop dies, a successor is not elected until after the 40 days of mourning are completed, during which period his diocese is said to be “widowed”.
The 40th day has great significance in Orthodox religion. That is the period during which soul of deceased wanders on earth. On 40th day ascension of his soul occurs. Therefore, it’s The most important day in mourning period, on which special prayers should be held on grave site of deceased. This custom originates from old Slavic pagan religion and it was incorporated into Orthodox religion, during the Christianization of old Slavic nations.
Also the celebration of weeping, fasting, and mourning for 40 days over the death of a deity Tammuz, who was the name of a Sumerian god of food and vegetation, was developed from the pagan celebration.
married hazrat saudah 
in the same year if i remember correctly.
