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I've said it time and time again.
Let Messengers be Messengers and let Allah be Allah.
Do not go to the extreme, especially blind extreme.
Please take heed.
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Agreed !!!!, and if u call going to a gathering and listening to the life of our gr8 Prophet and been happy is EXTREME , then u seriously have a problem!!!!.
Zein
Well said brother, I am feeling more muslim at the moment.
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Well said brother, I am feeling more muslim at the moment.
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how about now? :D
What IS MILAD ?????
Salam everyone!!!
I think soem pple need to be told what happens at a milad. Let me tell you and inform you what happens!!!!!. What is it WE do at a MILAD!!!!. Lets stop the discussion here after this as there are other isssues of more imporatnce that we need to look at . If you guyz agree well and good , if not then thats fine too!!!
We say that the celebration of the Prophet's Mawled must not only be on the 12th of Rabial-Awwal, but can and should be on every day of every month in every mosque, and in every house, in order for people to feel the light of Islam and the light of Sharia in their hearts. Remember the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi
wa sallam, did not just come for one day, nor to one nation, nor to one occasion. Instead, He, sallallahu alayhuwa aalihi wa sallam, came to everybody and reliving His Sira should be everyday's mission and practice.
We say that Mawled gatherings are an effective and efficient means for the purpose of calling people to Islam and educate children, that these meetings give a golden opportunity that must not be lost, for every scholar and da`i to teach and remind the Nation of the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam, of his good character, his way of worshipping, and his way of treating people. This is a way to make children love and remember their Prophet, by giving them food and juice and gifts to make them happy.
3- Last but not least, everything that is done at the Mawled MUST be done in STRICT accordance and UNCOMPROMISED adherence to the Book And Saheeh of the Sunnah.
Zein
Yes yes!
And Sheraz bro, my Islamic phases (thats what they are-usually triggered by study of our Golden times) tend to last a few days to 2 weeks, then back to sinful Mo. :rotfl"
But by heart is forever with the deen.
Zein
But why not listen to the life of ALL the Prophets?
Why stop at one?
I do not have a problem with what you do. That is your perogative. But don't drum it into our heads like we are at fault for not doing it.
The problem I do have is when people start bordering Shirk and start to glorify the Prophet PBUH similar to glorifying Allah SWT.
We are asked to send blessings on the Prophet PBUH, not worship the Prophet PBUH.
People must learn to differentiate between emotional and factual outbursts.
Just for the record, Milad is a very recent innovation and practice.
The Prophet PBUH neither celebrated it, nor commanded others to do this for himself, or for any one who died before him amongst the Prophets, for his daughters, his wives, or his other relatives. The rightly guided Caliphs the Companions of the Prophet or the successors who rightly followed them did not celebrate this event, nor did any one of the muslim scholars in the centuries before.
There is no evidence supporting this designation during the time of Sahaba (Companions), the tabiyeen (the generation that followed the companions) or taba-tabiyeen (the next generation).
They knew the Sunnah of the Prophet best, they loved him more, and followed the Shari'a better than those who came after them. If celebrating his birthday was a good deed, they would have done it.
Had the celebration of Milad been an act of Religion chosen by Allah for His servants, the Prophet PBUH would have either explained that to his people, would have celebrated it during his life, or his Companions would have done it. As these did not happen, it becomes clear that Islam has no concern with Milad. On the contrary, it is one of the innovations against which the Prophet has warned his people.
A host of scholars have not only rejected the celebration of Milad but have warned against it in view of the evidences.
The love of the Prophet PBUH is not reflected by the celebration on his birthday, but by obeying him, believing in his teachings, keeping away from what he prohibited and by worshipping Allah in the way he prescribed for us.
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Just for the record, Milad is a very recent innovation and practice.
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That is Exactly what my dad was telling me the other day that milad IS A NEWLY introduced innovation. I'm talking about 35-40 years ago when me dad was my age(21)
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*Originally posted by sholay: *
Zein
But why not listen to the life of ALL the Prophets?
Why stop at one?
I do not have a problem with what you do. That is your perogative. But don't drum it into our heads like we are at fault for not doing it.
The problem I do have is when people start bordering Shirk and start to glorify the Prophet PBUH similar to glorifying Allah SWT.
We are asked to send blessings on the Prophet PBUH, not worship the Prophet PBUH.
People must learn to differentiate between emotional and factual outbursts.
Just for the record, Milad is a very recent innovation and practice.
The Prophet PBUH neither celebrated it, nor commanded others to do this for himself, or for any one who died before him amongst the Prophets, for his daughters, his wives, or his other relatives. The rightly guided Caliphs the Companions of the Prophet or the successors who rightly followed them did not celebrate this event, nor did any one of the muslim scholars in the centuries before.
There is no evidence supporting this designation during the time of Sahaba (Companions), the tabiyeen (the generation that followed the companions) or taba-tabiyeen (the next generation).
They knew the Sunnah of the Prophet best, they loved him more, and followed the Shari'a better than those who came after them. If celebrating his birthday was a good deed, they would have done it.
Had the celebration of Milad been an act of Religion chosen by Allah for His servants, the Prophet PBUH would have either explained that to his people, would have celebrated it during his life, or his Companions would have done it. As these did not happen, it becomes clear that Islam has no concern with Milad. On the contrary, it is one of the innovations against which the Prophet has warned his people.
A host of scholars have not only rejected the celebration of Milad but have warned against it in view of the evidences.
The love of the Prophet PBUH is not reflected by the celebration on his birthday, but by obeying him, believing in his teachings, keeping away from what he prohibited and by worshipping Allah in the way he prescribed for us.
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Dear Sholey
Zein
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*Originally posted by nos: *
That is Exactly what my dad was telling me the other day that milad IS A NEWLY introduced innovation. I'm talking about 35-40 years ago when me dad was my age(21)
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Good point your dad has got there. Tell him also not to watch TV/VCR or anything religious on TV. Yaar dont u get it by going to the mosque on MILAD you learn good things, so chill. If u and your dad dont like it stay home and do something else
Zein
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Good point your dad has got there. Tell him also not to watch TV/VCR or anything religious on TV. Yaar dont u get it by going to the mosque on MILAD you learn good things, so chill. If u and your dad dont like it stay home and do something else
Zein
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Dude its none of your God damn business alrite and it shouldn't even concern you if he watches TV or not. So watch your mouth dude cause ya pissin me off you know. When I talk to you , you talk to me. When I talk about my dad, you only listen and don't dare say anything that points to him in any way. You surely need a lesson on manners and Etiquettes in the 'MILAD' of yours. You are definitely missing out on that in your life
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*Originally posted by nos: *
Dude its none of your God damn business alrite and it shouldn't even concern you if he watches TV or not. So watch your mouth dude cause ya pissin me off you know. When I talk to you , you talk to me. When I talk about my dad, you only listen and don't dare say anything that points to him in any way. You surely need a lesson on manners and Etiquettes in the 'MILAD' of yours. You are definitely missing out on that in your life
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Well dude NEXT time dont mention ur DAD is a discussion, cause then he becomes subject of discussion. I aint just gonna listen and say YES papa to whatever ur Dad utterz. If your dad thinks MILAd is a new thing, then surely TV/VCR is a new thing too. Try understanding the logic and plz do tell ur dad too as well.
And thanx for the advice about manners, point is noted. I will look into that aspect as well. Chill
Zein
:)
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
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Afreen Hai wai mo_best G , just why are you laughing/smiling. Didnt u seeee nos is in a serious mode, so lets speak to him in a respectfullll way. Go and put your smile up in the joke forum :)
mo_best : where aboutz are you from ?
Zein
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*Originally posted by nos: *
That is Exactly what my dad was telling me the other day that milad IS A NEWLY introduced innovation. I'm talking about 35-40 years ago when me dad was my age(21)
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Okay I am very busy these days but i thought why not clear up u and ur Dadz misconception of the gr8 day when our prophet was born. U seem to be falling into the trap as well!. Mehfil-e-Milad was always there, today may be the way we celebrate is different but the message is the same that is 2 spread the teachings of Quran and Sunnah. In the days of the Prophet(salallahoalaihewasalam) and Sahaba Kiraam (Radi-allah-anhum) every day was like celebrating Mehfil-e-Milad (Quran and Sunnah Mehfils).
Rasulallah (salallahoalaihewasalam) himself celebrated his own birthday by fasting on every Monday. When he was asked why he fasts every Monday? Prophet (salallahoalaihewasalam) replied " I was born on Monday and Quran was also revealed on that day " (Hadith: Sahi-Muslim)
Those who opposed to Mehfil-e-Milad reference a hadees from Miskhat Shareef in which the Prophet (salallahoalaihewasalam) said "Whosoever introduces a new belief in our religion which contradicts with it is rejected." He also said "Beware of innovations, for every innovation (Kullu Bid'at) is misguidance." But those hypocrate Munkir-e-Milad never cite another hadees from the same book which is in favour of good innovations, thus a Hadith in Miskhat under Babul-I'lm says: "He who sets a good precedent in Islam, there is reward for him for this (act of goodness) and a reward for him also who acts according to it subsequently, without any deduction from their rewards and he who sets in Islam an evil precedent there is upon him the burden of that, and the burden of him also who acts upon it subsequently, without any deduction from their burdens." From this Hadith we see that to introduce a nice way in Islam which is in accordance with the Holy Quran and Sunnah will induce rewards and to do vice versa will provoke punishment.
If we assume that every new innovation is Bid'at then what the munkir-e-Milad has to say about the following new innovations which were not existed at the time of Prophet (salallahoalaihewasalam).
Compilation of Quran
Adding first call to prayer on friday
Traveeh prayer with jamaat
Compilation of books of hadiths
and so on ...
SOME GOOD BID'ATS IN OUR DAILY RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES (BID'AT-E-HASANA)
We will now see that no worship in Islam is void of Bid'at-e-Hasana.
IMAAN: Every Muslim child is taught Imaan-e-Mujmal and Imaan-e-Mufassal whereas no such categories or names for Imaan were in practice in the age of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) or the three blessed generations after him.
(*) By the three blessed generations we mean the ages of the Sahaba, the Tabe'een and the Tab'e Tabe'een.
KALIMAH: Every Muslim memorises six Kalimahs. These six Kalimahs, their enumeration and their sequence that, this is the first Kalimah, this the second, etc. are all Bid'ats which were not there in the commencing period of Islam.
QURAN: To divide the Holy Quran into thirty Paras (sections) and to divide the Paras into Rukus, to put the I'raab (expressions such as Zabbar, Zer, Pesh) in the Holy Quran and to have the Holy Book printed by offset in the press are Bid'ats which could not be traced in the commencing era of Islam.
HADITH: To collect the Hadith in book form and state the chain or narrators and to characterise the Hadiths by saying this is Sahih, this is Hassan or Da'if, Mu'addaal or Mudallas, etc. and to establish the commands with the help of Hadith such as Makruh, Mustahab, etc. are all appreciable Bid'ats which were not in practice in the blessed age of Rasulullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
PRINCIPLES OF HADITH (USUL-E-HADITH): This whole branch of knowledge along with its rules is itself Bid'at Hasana.
FIQH: Now a days all the matters in our daily life depend upon this knowledge because it contains the rules and commands for everything which may come across our lives, but this field of knowledge also is Bid'at Hasana.
USUL FIQH AND I'LM-E-KALAAM: These two branches of knowledge too, along with their principles and injunctions are all Bid'at Hasana.
SALAAT: It is Bid'at-e-Hasana to intend for praying Salaat by proclaiming the intention loudly or to pray the 20 Rakaah Tarawih prayer in congregation during the Holy Month of Ramadaan.
FASTING: At the time of breaking fast (Iftaar) to say the Du'a: "O Allah, for Thee have I Fasted and in Thee I believe and upon Thee I trust and with the food given by Thee I open my fast" and to intend for fasting by saying this Du'a audibly at the time of SEHRI: "O Allah, I intend to fast for Thy sake tomorrow" are all Bid'at Hasana.
ZAKAAT: To give Zakaat with the currency which is currently used such as coins and paper notes is Bid'at because these were not in vogue in the commencing centuries of Islam.
HAJJ: To perform Hajj by travelling in aeroplanes, ships, cars, lorries, buses and to go to the field of Arafaat by car or bus are all Bid'ats because such conveyances had not been invented in that age.
When Bid'at has been introduced in such things as Imaan and Kalimah then how will we succeed in abstaining from it. So we will have to agree that all Bid'ats are not Haraam and only those Bid'ats are Haraam which contradict the Kitaab and Sunnah.
BID'AT IN WORDLY AFFAIRS: Now a days we see around us such new inventions that could not be found in the first three centuries of Islam and we got so much accustomed to them that life would be very difficult without them. Everyone is compelled to use these things such as trains, cars, aeroplanes, watches, electricity, and hundreds of other things, without which we cannot imagine how life would be. But all these things are Bid'ats and cannot be traced back to the blessed age of Rasulullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) or the Sahaba.
What the Munkir-e-Milad has to say about these modern day bid'at which are now become the part of our religious activities for example:
· Use of Loud Speakers and Microphone for conducting Daily and Friday prayers and delivering speeches.
· Organizing Fund Raising dinners in Hotels for building Mosques, Madrassa etc. Why do not they issue fatwa of shirk, Kufr and Bid'at for practicing the above new innovations in Islam. Please don't tell me you Munkir-e-Milad don't use Loud speaker and don't organize or attend Fund Raising Dinners.
SOME MODERN DAY BAD BID'ATS (BID'AT-E-SAI'YYA) WHICH ARE AGAINST ISLAM AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED BUT HAS BEEN PRACTICED BY MUNKIR-E-MILAD. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF OUR INNOCENT MUSLIMS FALLS INTO THEIR TRAP!
Offering prayers with head's uncovered i.e not wearing cap while offering prayers.
Offering only fard part of the Namaz.
Make no Dua after Namaz.
Each of the above action is a new bad innovation in Islam i.e. Bid'at-e-Sai'yya, because by adopting these actions one is not only introducing new innovation in Islam but also at the same time he is abolishing the Sunnah of our Prophet (salallahoalaihewasalam) which in fact is direct violation of the commands of Allah Ta'ala.
Zein
i think people who introduced bidah of milad were vhad good intentions............but things went wrong later................that is the reason ulema resist ant thing new .......................
I dont have time for a detailed reply but it is really simple: mawlid is a praiseworthy act but it is not wajib yet only a fool would criticise it and it is celebrated officially celebrated in every Muslim country save Wahabi Arabia!
You can see loads of proofs--from the Prophet alayhisalatu wa salam Himself and the Sahaba and all the Sunni scholars right here:
AS for those nimcampoops who dare to say that Muslims praise the Beloved Messenger sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam 'too much' I ask these idiots if they know the limits of His praise sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam?!
And when none apart from ALLAH knows His limits then how can one go over them?! As He alayhisalatu wa salam said once to Hazrat Abu Bakr as Siddiq, "O Abu Bakr! No one knows my true self except my Lord!" (aw kama kaana alayhisalatu wa salam)
Allah HIMSELF praises His Beloved throughout the Koran and seeks to please Him so why shouldn't WE, his mere slaves--sorry slaves of his slaves as the noble scholar and sayyid, Shaikh Sayyid Yusuf Nabhani rahmatullah alayhi has said (see my sig)--praise Him?
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Wa rafa'na laka dhikrak.
We have raised for YOU your remembrance [zikr]! (Koran)
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and ** Wa la sawfa yu'tika Rabbuka fa tarDa.
Soon I shall give you so much that YOU (O my beloved!) will be PLEASED!
(Surah 93, al-DuHa)
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That is why the Imam of al Hind and al Sind, as Shaykh Haddad calls him!, Ala Hazrat wrote:
Khuda ki raza chahitay hain Do Aalam
Khuda chahita hai raza e Muhammad! (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam)
Both the worlds wish to please Allah
Allah wishes that Muhammad be pleased!
And as long as we do not DEIFY the Prophet of Allah and think of him as a part of the Godhead (which is the mistake the Christians made with Is alayhisalam)--and despite Wahabi/Modernists' claims NO MUSLIM worships the Beloved Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--then we can praise him as much as we want!
Indeed it is the Sunnah of Allah to praise Him!! And the Sahaba praised him and the Tabi'in, and the Tabi' Tabi'iin, and the Salaf and the Khalaf and everything in creation praises Him--even the CREATOR praises Him!
sal allahu alayhi wa sallam! So why shouldn't WE praise Him!
Not liking the praise of the Messenger sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam is a sign of a corrupt belief and a sick heart!
May Allah protect us from such people! amin!
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poop
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hahaha-poop. :rotfl"
:D
hmmm
Asif, please check your translations:
[Shakir 94:4] And exalted for you your esteem?
[Yusufali 94:4] And raised high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)?
[Pickthal 94:4] And exalted thy fame?
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Soon I shall give you so much that YOU (O my beloved!) will be PLEASED!
(Surah 93, al-DuHa)
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please refrain from adding words in brackets which do not explain but plainly add or distort the translation of the meaning.
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1. Compilation of Quran
Adding first call to prayer on friday
Traveeh prayer with jamaat
Compilation of books of hadiths
and so on ...
SOME GOOD BID'ATS IN OUR DAILY RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES (BID'AT-E-HASANA)
We will now see that no worship in Islam is void of Bid'at-e-Hasana.
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There exists a definition of "bidaa", which says anything added after Prophet PBUH, his companion, tabiyeen, taba-tabiyeen is "bidaa". I believe most of these were done in Companion's times.