Not really. Believe me, i dont know if government is demolishing any Mosque other then illegally constructed structures (some people call them their temple).
Well, there are worshippers that believe that their diety (God) is thief and zalim and do not mind having his house on stolen land. These people are protesting .. but that is different matter. Obviously these people could not be allowed or encouraged to steal lands to build their temple. It would be allowing zulum. Hence , unfortunately government have to demolish their temple built on stolen lands. No one should steal land.
I hope you are not one of those who worship a diety (God) that condones theft and stealing and does not mind having house on stolen land?
Actually, I believe that you are Muslim and obviously no Muslim believes that Allah is thief and Zalim and thus, it is impossible for a Muslim to believe that Allah would like to have his house on stolen land. The only thing is that it is amazing me why you are trying to call these temple of zalim and thief .. house of Allah (or Mosque). I hope that there must be misunderstanding of some kind :)
Because a land stolen 60 years ago does not make it a legally occupied land. Nevertheless, to have temple on stolen land and calling it Mosque makes many unaware Muslims join in their sin of stealing by strengthing their stealing. It is duty of government to save these soul too plus correct the wrong that was done long time ago.
In the past we only had rulers who did not cared (they were busy stealing themselves). Now we have a Mujahid of Islam as our ruler .. (aka General Pervaiz Musharraf) ... who cares. :)
The fact is All the rulers before Musharraf were Stupid A mujahid of Islam......Musharraf....who elected himself.
If he's a mujahid of Islam why would he destroy a mosque...He's surely nothing but a sinner..hun mujahid of Islam.
Destroy mosque? where and when? I asked you earlier and you did not answered .. still claimimg same thing. I do not know .. but please be clear, Are you calling those structure that are built on stolen land as Mosque? (because i call them temple). For me, mosque is house of Allah and Allah could not have a house on stolen lands. What you think?
Musharraf…Mujahid of Islam
Where was Musharraf? He was treating his hangover of heavy drinking at Yusuf Salahuddin’s haveli the night before. You won’t ever see Blair drunk. Recently, leader of the Liberal Democrat party (third largest party in UK) had to resign just because he admitted to having drinking problems (though nobody had seen him drinking in public). Musharraf was not only drunk but also making a fool of himself by dancing with scores of women. http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00006196&channel=chaathouse
I called Musharraf ‘Mujahid of Islam’ because he is not munafiq. His zahir and batin is same and what he believes he does not munch his words to say that. That is a clear sign of a Muslim Mujahid. A Muslim mujahid might be wrong on one thing or another, as he is human but others in past were all Munafiqs as their zahir and batin were different and even a lay person knows that, thus none qualify as Mujahid of Islam.
As for who elected him? Well; there is no election as a need in Islam to come to power. As long as one is strong enough and have backing of the Muslim national army and no one can challenge him, that person can become ruler.
who owns the mosque?......no one
a mosque is a property of no one except Allah.
musharraf is the ruler of country ...he has power to save the mosques from demolishing even it is built on a an unpaid land .
and would you like to tell me who owns those mosques and from whom they stole the property?
sorry unpaid land makes it sound much cleaner than it is. Its illegally occupied land which is either public property, or private property.
Yes the govt can give these ppl a break and give them after the fact authorization if this was public land. Obviously they can not do that readily if its private land. But what precedence are we setting?
That you can take over anyone's land and as long as you call it a masjid, govt will be blackmailed into giving you the rights to that land in order to prove govt leaders' musalmaniyat???
as far as who owns the mosque, its the people who built it, they use it, in many cases the head honchos have living quarters there as well.
Who they stole the land from, from rightful owners of that land, which is either a private entity...business, individual, bldg society etc, or the government. They built a building on land that did not belong to them.
I called Musharraf ‘Mujahid of Islam’ because he is not munafiq. His zahir and batin is same and what he believes he does not munch his words to say that. That is a clear sign of a Muslim Mujahid. A Muslim mujahid might be wrong on one thing or another, as he is human but others in past were all Munafiqs as their zahir and batin were different and even a lay person knows that, thus none qualify as Mujahid of Islam.
As for who elected him? Well; there is no election as a need in Islam to come to power. As long as one is strong enough and have backing of the Muslim national army and no one can challenge him, that person can become ruler.
hmmm .. obviously when we talk regarding this world, we talk of humans challengers. You tell me who amongst human Pakistsanis at the moment that can challenge Musharraf?
As for Allah, it is obvious that he is there by the will of Allah.
sorry unpaid land makes it sound much cleaner than it is. Its illegally occupied land which is either public property, or private property.
Yes the govt can give these ppl a break and give them after the fact authorization if this was public land. Obviously they can not do that readily if its private land. But what precedence are we setting?
That you can take over anyone's land and as long as you call it a masjid, govt will be blackmailed into giving you the rights to that land in order to prove govt leaders' musalmaniyat???
as far as who owns the mosque, its the people who built it, they use it, in many cases the head honchos have living quarters there as well.
Who they stole the land from, from rightful owners of that land, which is either a private entity...business, individual, bldg society etc, or the government. They built a building on land that did not belong to them.
Where was The Government when People were building this mosque?
If mush demolishes these mosques than he can demolish any mosque in the country...
hmmm .. obviously when we talk regarding this world, we talk of humans challengers. You tell me who amongst human Pakistsanis at the moment that can challenge Musharraf?
As for Allah, it is obvious that he is there by the will of Allah.
well, thats a stupid question.....I believe no one should challange others.Its a sign of pride.
I called Musharraf ‘Mujahid of Islam’ because he is not munafiq. His zahir and batin is same and what he believes he does not munch his words to say that. That is a clear sign of a Muslim Mujahid. A Muslim mujahid might be wrong on one thing or another, as he is human but others in past were all Munafiqs as their zahir and batin were different and even a lay person knows that, thus none qualify as Mujahid of Islam.
As for who elected him? Well; there is no election as a need in Islam to come to power. As long as one is strong enough and have backing of the Muslim national army and no one can challenge him, that person can become ruler.
you've showed me one sign of mujahid of Islam i show you others
(1) He make things halal which Allah and His Prophet(pbuh) has made haram.
(2) He murderes innocent people.
(3) he helps Kuffar in thier wrong doing.
(4) he celebrates ' basant '.
(5) And he ruins mosques.
Thanks.. the statement you made is answer itself. Challenges only happen when there is someone to challenge. Nevertheless, since you wrote that no one should challenge others .. so let that be.. as it means that InshaAllah no challenger to the power of Pakistan should come to Musharraf in future ever (Until Allah gives him life) :)
just pray what you wrote stay true always .. InshaAllah :)
mosques are buildings and and mullahs are people.
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I never said that mosques were spaceships and mullahs were aliens.
mosques don't belong to mullahs.
mullahs don't own m osques...
Or so you would think. but in reality many do..
who decided to build the mosque there? who goes out collecting chanda to expand the mosque? etc etc.
so whether its the resident imam, or some masjid committee or whoever the trustees are, depneding on whether it is set up as a sole proprietership, as a charity (thus a nonprofit organiation) someone owns that building, someone paid the coontractors, someone helped design it or appprovd designs. someone's name is on the electric, gas and water bills.....
and tell me to whom the land belongs to......
Land belongs to whoever has title to that land. and if it is public land it belongs to the govt..and thus to the people. Now if your argument is that land belngs to god, or to teh goovt and thus to the people, and its people building on that land, then am afraid that is a bogus argument.
There is due process, a person or an organization, or a group of people can nto just go and say hey lets take over this land, even if they want to build a hospital on it.
I called Musharraf ‘Mujahid of Islam’ because he is not munafiq. His zahir and batin is same and what he believes he does not munch his words to say that. That is a clear sign of a Muslim Mujahid. A Muslim mujahid might be wrong on one thing or another, as he is human but others in past were all Munafiqs as their zahir and batin were different and even a lay person knows that, thus none qualify as Mujahid of Islam.
As for who elected him? Well; there is no election as a need in Islam to come to power. As long as one is strong enough and have backing of the Muslim national army and no one can challenge him, that person can become ruler.
Sorry to say but you know very little about Islam....
How do you know that he's not munafiq?
He might not be munafiq but he's surely from the zalimun.
I never said that mosques were spaceships and mullahs were aliens.
Or so you would think. but in reality many do..
who decided to build the mosque there? who goes out collecting chanda to expand the mosque? etc etc.
so whether its the resident imam, or some masjid committee or whoever the trustees are, depneding on whether it is set up as a sole proprietership, as a charity (thus a nonprofit organiation) someone owns that building, someone paid the coontractors, someone helped design it or appprovd designs. someone's name is on the electric, gas and water bills.....
Land belongs to whoever has title to that land. and if it is public land it belongs to the govt..and thus to the people. Now if your argument is that land belngs to god, or to teh goovt and thus to the people, and its people building on that land, then am afraid that is a bogus argument.
There is due process, a person or an organization, or a group of people can nto just go and say hey lets take over this land, even if they want to build a hospital on it.
What will Musharraf do to the land without mosques?
Is he going to build a bar as he declared that he's gonna 1000 bars all over the country.
Where was The Government when People were building this mosque?
If mush demolishes these mosques than he can demolish any mosque in the country...
I dunno, ask previous govts why they were hoodwinked and blackmailed by the weirdo beardos into letting them construst illegal structures.
If there are other illegal structures than the govt has a complete right to demolish them as well, whether they are used for religious, commercial, personal or whatever purposes.
There are many mosques that are builf properly, on land that was either bought or donated, not land that was stolen.
Thanks.. the statement you made is answer itself. Challenges only happen when there is someone to challenge. Nevertheless, since you wrote that no one should challenge others .. so let that be.. as it means that InshaAllah no challenger to the power of Pakistan should come to Musharraf in future ever (Until Allah gives him life) :)
just pray what you wrote stay true always .. InshaAllah :)
You're the one who started talking about challanging Musharraf.
And I said no one should challange other ......It does'nt mean that no challanger will come to Musharraf......but I said bcoz Challanging is an act of Satan.
What will Musharraf do to the land without mosques?
Is he going to build a bar as he declared that he's gonna 1000 bars all over the country.
lets not go on tangents here. take musharraf and bars and what nots out of the equation.
lets finalize the discussion on wether it is right to construct structures on stole properties and setting them as mosques..or anything for that matter.