That's true ... these are very good ideas ... you should help them in that. Are you helping them? Are you supprting their protest? You know the Muslim media in the UK is so much better than the Pakistani media for Islam ... it's a shame one calls Pakistan an Islamic country.
No I am not supporting their protest because they are doing the wrong thing by occupying a children's library. After assurances from the government about the mosques, they changed their tune and said lets have shariat also...so they went back on their original word which was "give us assurance that mosques will not be destroyed/rebuilt and we will vacate the library" So in addition to being bullies, they are liars too now, and no matter how Islamic the cover, there is no way you can justify the support of liars and bullies.
I agreed with you that some measures are not the best measures, but sometimes when that is all they have to be heard as long as the harm is less than the harm that is already being aflicted i.e. the destruction of utilised and busy Islamic establishments then you have to have a sense and understanding of priority.
So going back on one's words, lying and bullying is all ok as long as it is for the greater cause? Hmmm.... which tradition is that from , because that certainly isn't Islam.....
my zeal is justice. and not having these goons blackmail people by challenging their musalmaniyat That has been the ghatiya trick of people like that, questioning people’s faith or their love or hate for islam..
peaceful adherents? yeah…which tenent did I ridicule by the way?
so lets see what I said..going waco on whackos was a little jibe and anyone who took that as the proposed solution really needs to then match it with the rest of my statements which is the real proposed solution.
These goons have taken over a property that is for public use, I mean forget the illegal madrissa which was illegal to begi with, now they are illegally squatting in a public library. Its not their jageer…
Lets address my points one by one which you highlighted to prove my hatred of islam.
Tear gas:
So to get them out, tear gas is a very humane way. I did not say nerve gas, I did nto say indiscriminate lathi charge. If they are not listening and they are illegally occupying a facility, that is a very effective way to do so without serious harm to the goons.
Demolish the illegal structure:
Hey, illegal structure needs to go. Govt has already said they will give them a different place. They are doing more than I would do. They are still rewarding these goons for their illegal take over of private and public land. The structure needs to go.
Shariah:
Are you now questioning shariah? Theft is theft, whether it is public or private property, whether it is land or money or whatever. The Shariah law that these gusy want to implement includes chopping off hands for theft. So apply the laws thatthey want to them. How is that statement against Islam.
Or are these people above the law? they can get away with anything.
They use a property that is illegal..period. they should have enough sense to recognize that and not do this ghunda gardee.
and the govt is doign no such thing as keeping them ignorant. the govt has offered to give them land elsewhere where they can build the madrissa. as far as I know govt even offered to build the madrissa.
now as far as keeping them ignorant, it appears that their whacko teachers have done that already.
my zeal is justice. and not having these goons blackmail people by challenging their musalmaniyat :) That has been the ghatiya trick of people like that, questioning people's faith or their love or hate for islam..
bla bla bla
now as far as keeping them ignorant, it appears that their whacko teachers have done that already.
Let's cut this short ... you still haven't provided me with evidence ...
Let's cut this short ... you still haven't provided me with evidence ...
niether have you. I have provided you with CDA statements from few years ago that the buildings were identified as being illegal.
now shabaash go get me copies of deed for the land and a plat of survey showing that the goons infact own that land and have not taken over that or any additional land illegally :)
No I am not supporting their protest because they are doing the wrong thing by occupying a children's library. After assurances from the government about the mosques, they changed their tune and said lets have shariat also...so they went back on their original word which was "give us assurance that mosques will not be destroyed/rebuilt and we will vacate the library" So in addition to being bullies, they are liars too now, and no matter how Islamic the cover, there is no way you can justify the support of liars and bullies.
To help you understand the Islamic way of doing things ...
First settle by proof that the land is owned by who it is said to be owned.
1) Explain to the users (if they are on disputed land) that the property is due to be raised.
2) Meanwhile build another property in a mutally suitable location. Replace the people
3) Then bulldoze the original building.
niether have you. I have provided you with CDA statements from few years ago that the buildings were identified as being illegal.
now shabaash go get me copies of deed for the land and a plat of survey showing that the goons infact own that land and have not taken over that or any additional land illegally :)
Ownership of land is due for proof until there is an enquiry. All you have to do is prove that there were enquiries. These should be listed in government files easily accessible by the public. If there were no court cases just government threats then the process has already been incorrectly executed.
You have provided me with no proof ... if you had you would post them again. I don't want some article ... I need something that can be found and ratified.
The burden of proof lies on those who are taking action.
To help you understand the Islamic way of doing things ...
First settle by proof that the land is owned by who it is said to be owned.
1) Explain to the users (if they are on disputed land) that the property is due to be raised.
2) Meanwhile build another property in a mutally suitable location. Replace the people
3) Then bulldoze the original building.
And where is the directive on bullying, lying and occupying a Childrens library...and carrying dandas.....and going back on your words....etc. etc.
Ownership of land is due for proof until there is an enquiry. All you have to do is prove that there were enquiries. These should be listed in government files easily accessible by the public. If there were no court cases just government threats then the process has already been incorrectly executed.
You have provided me with no proof ... if you had you would post them again. I don't want some article ... I need something that can be found and ratified.
The burden of proof lies on those who are taking action.
burden of proof lies on both sides. CDA has the proof. For illegally constructed structures i.e. what was supposed to be a one room masjid turned instead into a multi room madrassa wit living quarters for the students and the resident mullahs own bunglow, that CDA has already, goign back to 2002 when they had noted that these places were not following building code they had it in thier possession.
Same goes for the illegally occupied land, CDA has information on what land belongs to whom.
do you want them to publish it to the world? go ahead and email them.
meanwhile if these goons have enough time to give fiery idiotic speeches and take over public libraries, surely the idiots can go find the deed to the property or approved building documents that show that infact they were allowed to build the place as some madrissa.
I mean, most people can provide proof of ownership of their house or land in a matter of minutes, or hours if the originals are in some bank safe.
but they cant prove it..cuz they are crooks, sadly using islam as a shield to continue their illegal and crminal behavior
To help you understand the Islamic way of doing things ...
First settle by proof that the land is owned by who it is said to be owned.
1) Explain to the users (if they are on disputed land) that the property is due to be raised.
2) Meanwhile build another property in a mutally suitable location. Replace the people
3) Then bulldoze the original building.
where are you getting this from btw? :)
and does it apply just for illegally constructed masjid? if tomorrow I set up a disco in your backyard, and u want to get rid of me, will you build a new disco for me before you demolish my disco? or if its not a disco, a paan shop, a mithai ki dukaaan..whatever.
Ownership of land is due for proof until there is an enquiry. All you have to do is prove that there were enquiries. These should be listed in government files easily accessible by the public. If there were no court cases just government threats then the process has already been incorrectly executed.
You have provided me with no proof ... if you had you would post them again. I don't want some article ... I need something that can be found and ratified.
The burden of proof lies on those who are taking action.
That would be the bullies sitting in a childrens library.....
Re: CDA Bulldozing Illegally constructed Mosques in Islamabad
well i went through the whole thread... and i mean the whole 7 pages, and i tell ya, the lady deserves the highest gupshup award for stubbernness. No matter how much evidence was provided against her position and no matter how logical it was, she didn't give an inch.
Re: CDA Bulldozing Illegally constructed Mosques in Islamabad
well i went through the whole thread... and i mean the whole 7 pages, and i tell ya, the lady deserves the highest gupshup award for stubbernness. No matter how much evidence was provided against her position and no matter how logical it was, she didn't give an inch.
apni kitaab ki rebuttal ka ghussa yahan per uttaar rahe ho? ...
burden of proof lies on both sides. CDA has the proof. For illegally constructed structures i.e. what was supposed to be a one room masjid turned instead into a multi room madrassa wit living quarters for the students and the resident mullahs own bunglow, that CDA has already, goign back to 2002 when they had noted that these places were not following building code they had it in thier possession.
Same goes for the illegally occupied land, CDA has information on what land belongs to whom.
do you want them to publish it to the world? go ahead and email them.
meanwhile if these goons have enough time to give fiery idiotic speeches and take over public libraries, surely the idiots can go find the deed to the property or approved building documents that show that infact they were allowed to build the place as some madrissa.
I mean, most people can provide proof of ownership of their house or land in a matter of minutes, or hours if the originals are in some bank safe.
but they cant prove it..cuz they are crooks, sadly using islam as a shield to continue their illegal and crminal behavior
Enough of the words Fraudz ... Where is your proof ... stop quoting newspaper articles, that isna proof ... Where is the proof of your allegations and I will step down.
where are you getting this from btw? :)
and does it apply just for illegally constructed masjid? if tomorrow I set up a disco in your backyard, and u want to get rid of me, will you build a new disco for me before you demolish my disco? or if its not a disco, a paan shop, a mithai ki dukaaan..whatever.
It is not a matter of where I am getting these things from. In Islam (you want evidence I can provide it) that harm shall not take place nor shall a harm be allowed to continue. The commentaries are on the 40 hadith ...
Part of the scholarly outcomes of this hadith is that harm shall not be applied to a situation to mitigate another harm. Rather where the option is to prevent or consolidate or come to a compromise then this is the right option.
To prevent people building illegally on land, the government aught to put in place certifcation measures and hold construction companies liable for building without the correct permits. But when a building has been made and is utilised for a long time then it becomes in a court of law more difficult to repossess that property as for that duration silence has meant passive agreement.
You should know all this in any case ...
Again the harm should be reduced, so the best way to do that is to provide the alternative before getting rid of the contended property. Is this not logical enough for you? Challenge this for logic and you will get a wrong mark.
That has been the ghatiya trick of people like that, questioning people’s faith or their love or hate for islam..
may u get a worthy reward.