CDA Bulldozing Illegally constructed Mosques in Islamabad

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ama Fradiyay sahib! ab jaan lo gey kiya becharee ki? mittee pao.

waisay hareem bibi its the sunni aqeedah that the Prophet (sws) is reported to have said:

He who sees something despicable in his ruler should bear it, for he who even slightly disassociates himself from the state system and dies in this condition shall die the death of ignorance. (Bukhari: No. 7054)

Another text of this Hadith reads:

He who sees something despicable in his ruler should bear it for he who even slightly disassociates himself from the obedience of the sovereign crown and dies in this condition shall die the death of ignorance. (Bukhari: No. 7053)

and in Muslim The Prophet (sws) is reported to have said:

You are organized under the rule of a person and someone tries to break your collectivity apart or disrupt your government, execute him. (Muslim: No. 1852)

so watch out what you wish for.

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Mush is not my leader…I did’nt vote for him…and btw does he Pray?
And when you quote from somewhere you should post the link…i’m doing it for you this time…

this site is made by javed ahmad ghamidi…you’re taking things out of context.
You’ve posted only 2 or 3 ahadith which support your arguments…Read the whole article.

what evidence is there that mush has done its best to save these moques?

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Please don't try to bring 'your' meaning of life to my life?
It would be better if you stick to the topic....

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it's not in the constitution of Pakistan that the ruler of the country has to be paanch waqt ka namazi, NOR it is required to run a country.

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He might not be your leader, but he is the head of the state and rules Islami Jamhoria-e-Pakistan. According to sunni fiqha and ahadith from sahih books people living in Pakistan must obey his commands. And if they don’t then there is a clear hadd fo such people:

The Prophet (sws) said:
You are organized under the rule of a person and someone tries to break your collectivity apart or disrupt your government, kill him. (Muslim: No. 1852)

What proof do you have that he does not pray? Are you sure that those five prayers you offer daily are being accepted by Allah? If you are not sure then you should stop judging people and correct your own affairs first.

BTW, what about the prayers of those criminals who snatch someone’s property and start praying on it?

Thx, you made it easier for me and saved my time for what I was going to post next. :slight_smile:

It does not any matter who’s site that is. It should be enough for you that those traditions were taken from the Sahih Books.

Here is another Sahih hadith for you:

Sahih muslim Book 020, Number 4554:
It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said:, the Prophet pbuh said: There will be leaders who will not be led by my guidance and who will not adopt my ways? There will be among them men who will have the hearts of devils in the bodies of human beings. I said: What should I do. Messenger of Allah, if I (happen) to live in that time? He replied: **You will listen to the prince and carry out his orders; even if your back is flogged and your wealth is snatched, you should listen and obey. **(Click on the title for the Arabic version)

And yes I have read the whole article; the following tradition is also included in that article:

The Prophet of God said: You can only refuse their submission if you witness outright Kufr in any matter from them, in which you have a clear evidence from God. (Muslim: No. 1709)

OK, so thats the only condition when one should not obey the head of state or ruler. Please provide us with the evidence that he is a kafir according to shariah.

But before you do so ask aroud about the hukm on declaring another Muslim kafir.

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but he has to be a muslim.....and muslims don't forbid others to pray nor they demolish the places where people pray.

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First of tell me how this hadith implies on me....Am I going to disputing his Government or am I spreading fitnah by saying that a muslim ruler should not destroy a mosque without a valid reason.

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Does this also apply on Prophet of Islam (s) as he ordered to demolish Masjid-e-Zarrar?

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may be you forgot to quote these to ahadith regarding ruler praying salaat....Don't worry.I can post these two ahadith on your behalf.

Soon you will find people ruling you some of whose habits you would like and others you would dislike. He who disliked their bad habits has no blame on him and he who refuted them also remained safe. However, he who was pleased with them and followed them would be called to account. The Companions asked: Should not then we wage war against them. The Prophet (sws) replied: No as long as they keep offering the prayer. (Muslim: No. 1854

The worst of your rulers are those whom you hate and who hate you; you curse them and they curse you. It was asked: O Prophet of Allah, should we not lift arms against them. The Prophet (sws) replied: No, as long as they establish the prayer among you. (Muslim: No. 1855)

And what proof do you have that he prays?
If someone pray salaat, why would he destroy the mosques.without a valid reason.
and those who pray five times....Thier reward or thier punishment is with Allah.
and I'm not judging anyone....but these ahadith are clearly telling us that we can disagree with the ruler if he does'nt pray.
And also its my duty as a muslim if I see some evil I should prevent it with my hands and If I can't do it with my hands I should speak against it and if I can't speak against it I should dislike it in my heart which is the lowest level of Iman.(you want reference?)

But Islamically a ruler is responsible for establishing prayer for his awaam{ask for proof and I'll show you inshaAllah}.
And in the end the ones who built a mosque on mush's land .....first of all what proof do you have that its mush's or government's land...?

and suppose if it is mush's land....why mush is coming along to destroy these mosques after 60 years?
or why can't mush leave these mosques like this and make a new law that no one can build a mosque on government's land?
and whats he gonna do with the land after destroying these mosques?

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Would you try to look the reason behind the demolishon of masjid e zarrar?
that masjid was built by the hypocrites to prevent muslims from participating in Jihad, before Jang e Tabouk.

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and you're just reading that above hadith without understanding it.
it says ' you can refuse thier subbmission, if you find any outright kufr in them'
Its not saying that if you find them as a Kafir.
(keep this in mind that A person who does kufr by his actions, by not offering the 5 Arkaan of Islaam and by immitating the Kuffar and by making halaal things haraam ,can still be a Muslim.If he says ' there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Last Messenger.')
Who am I to declare mush as a kafir....even no one even Ashura can't declare him a kafir if he believes in Allah.But most of his Actions are not a muslim's action.and According to the hadith that you forgot to post we can disagree with mush.

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first of all the word you are using for his name is one of very “ghattia treen” words, where I live. And every time you use this word it disgusts me imagining that a “muslima like you” is so frequently using that word sitting in front of her computer. :yuck:

BTW how would you feel if from today some one start calling your whole family using only first four letters of thier names?

so if theres a valid reason a mosque can be demolished. rite?

ahan, in other words that masjid was built by some criminals to gain some personal interest?

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:rotfl: we all wish u listened to your own advice!

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I’m sorry but I’m not calling him mush out of hatred…actually media is using this ’ mush’ term so often.
but I wont say his name in 4 words from now on inshaAllah if it iffends you.

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yes, In different situations you have to take different measurements.

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In other words that mosque was built by ' hypocrites' ( those are worse than criminals and are in the lowest part of the Hell), for thier personal interest as well as loss of Islam(auzdhubillah). They used that mosque also for planning to kill Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). But Allah is the Best of planners.

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so how much truth is in the reprts that those ninja ladies who have taken over the library first said they would nto let the library go until the govt reconstructed the mosque, so when religiosu affairs minister ijaaz ul haq ( son of zia ul haq) said it would be reconstructed, then they changed their tune and now say that they woint give it up until shariah is established in Pakistan.

hmmm...

where are sectarian bombings when we need them...

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thats a funny demand.....I don't know about the truth as I'm not even in pak at the moment, but if this is the case then obviously you can see who is right and who is wrong...you don't need to ask me.
btw what did ijazul haque say in response to thier 'shariah law' demand.

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Indeed, a bunch of militant lady ninjas who have taken over a library and have issued statements while holdng machine guns they have to be in the right.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070209/india_nm/india287051

TheISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A Pakistan Muslim cleric at the centre of a row over illegally built mosques vowed resistance on Friday if authorities tried to evict women religious students occupying a public library as part of a protest. row has pitted authorities in the capital, Islamabad, against radical clerics and their followers at a city mosque well known for criticism of the government and anti-U.S. and pro-Taliban sentiments.

The dispute has raised apprehension in the city after two bomb attacks, widely suspected of being carried out by Islamist militants, in the past two weeks.

“If they do something with us, if they attack, it is logical, we’ll do something,”
said Abdul Rasheed Ghazi, deputy chief cleric at the Lal Majid, or Red Mosque, in a central Islamabad neighbourhood.

**Women students at the mosque’s seminary, the Syeda Hifza madrasa, occupied a public library **next to the mosque last month to protest against the demolition of another mosque that authorities said had been built illegally on state land.

City authorities have offered alternative sites for mosques and religious schools which, officials say, have been put up illegally, including the Syeda Hifza madrasa.

But the city campaign against encroachment has outraged some conservatives, including the women student protesters clad in all-enveloping burqas, who are demanding the demolished mosque be rebuilt and plans to take down more be scrapped.

Some newspapers have reported the women students occupying the library were armed but Ghazi said talk that the mosque had many guns was not true. Whatever guns were there were properly licensed, he said.

JIHAD

Ghazi called for calm and said the government was inflaming the situation.

“The government is making it complicated. Students are students, they can’t be dealt forcefully … They are making an issue because they are madrasa students,” he said.

But his brother, the mosque’s chief cleric Abdul Aziz, called for jihad, or holy war, during the weekly Friday prayers.

“We have to carry out jihad and for that we have to come out of madrasas,” Aziz told hundreds of supporters crowded into the mosque. “Are you ready for sacrifice? Are you ready to come out?”

Women students in black burqas stood on the roof of their madrasa listening to the sermon, while young men carrying sticks, their faces covered by scarfs, guarded the mosque, searching people coming through its gates.

“Islamic law or martrydom” read a banner over one gate.

The Friday Times newspaper said the authorities’ campaign against encroachment had stirred a hornets’ nest of militancy.

“If the administration’s patience runs out, the situation could get messy,” the liberal newspaper said.

“The extremist mullahs (clerics) seek to exploit the freedoms of liberal democracy to overthrow it and replace it by their dictatorship in the name of religion.”

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here is a look at the psycho chics

http://www.topix.net/content/ap/1151250663101184328428657801493065490030

and it is clear that the govt wants to relocate the masjids to other areas..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/02/10/pakistan.madrassa.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Last week, President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said mosques or madrassas in “encroached areas” would be relocated

Latest is that the govt has backed off and allowed these psycho nutjob to win..but now these morons have new demands.

I say time to go waco on these whackos