Caste Discrimination in India

Until there is no caste based discrimination in India, India will never progress…

India struggles with discrimination

By Ken Moritsugu, Special for USA TODAY
Mon May 8, 8:19 AM ET

Born into the lowest caste in Indian society, Pradeep Kumar Jatav holds a coveted job as a university lecturer.

Despite a strong academic record, the 31-year-old graduate student said he wouldn’t have gotten the post without government-mandated quotas. “People don’t want that you sit with them,” he said. “At the moment they know your caste, they create barriers.”

India still struggles with vestiges of an ancient and discriminatory caste system, even as it emerges as a potential 21st-century economic power.

The system, which dates back more than 2,000 years, divides the population into higher castes, which include priests and warriors, and lower castes, such as laborers. At the bottom sit the “untouchables,” known as Dalits.

A recent government push to expand college admission and job quotas - an Indian form of affirmative action for the lower castes - has run into stiff opposition. Students have taken to the streets of New Delhi several times to protest the plan.

The clash pits the winners in India’s ongoing economic boom against those who have been left behind.

While a burgeoning middle class snaps up automobiles and the latest appliances, 327 million Indians - about 30% of the population - still live in poverty on less than $1 a day, according to the Asian Development Bank.

Some low-caste families have risen to the middle class, thanks in part to quotas, but most remain poor, said Nandu Ram, a professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi and author of several books on India’s lowest castes.

India sets aside 22.5% of its government jobs for the lowest castes, and an additional 27% for what are called the other “backward” castes, the next step up in the caste system.

‘Divide in society’ evident

The debate over quotas was intensified by the government of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, which was elected in 2004 on a promise of spreading the fruits of economic growth to the poor.

Singh wants to introduce job quotas at private companies and expand quotas for college admission.

The uproar over quotas is “the sharpest expression of the divide in society between the classes,” human rights lawyer Colin Gonsalves said.

Students worry that higher quotas will make the competition for limited slots even tougher.

The All India Institute of Medical Sciences in New Delhi, for example, has only 50 slots a year for graduate students, 11 of which are reserved for the lowest castes.

Donning white lab coats, undergraduates who expect to be competing for those spots marched in New Delhi last week to protest any quota increase.

Gonsalves remained unmoved. “These are elitist institutions,” he said of the universities, “that need to be beaten on the head.”

The anti-quota camp accuses the government of advocating quotas to seek votes from the lower castes. The backward castes make up about two-thirds of the population.

A better solution would be to ensure that the lower castes have better access to education, quota opponents say, something they blame the government for failing to provide. “The government can’t provide primary and secondary education,” said Peeyush Kumar, 20, a student who has protested the quotas. “That’s why they are imposing this (quota), to increase the number of votes they are going to receive.”

Business and academic leaders also warn that quotas could erode India’s competitive advantages in a global economy.

“The only way we can compete with global players is by hiring best-in-class people from India and the rest of the world,” said Azim Premji, chairman of software outsourcing giant Wipro. “We are an organization that requires selecting people on merit.”

Freedom from humiliation

Blatant caste discrimination is on the wane in big cities but persists in rural communities, where Dalits must live apart from others and take water from separate taps.

In extreme cases, Dalits who violate caste codes are beaten and their houses destroyed.

Some offending women have been stripped naked and paraded around as a humiliating lesson to others, according to the New Delhi-based National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights.

As a young village schoolteacher, Hansraj Dugal would bring sweets to share with his colleagues at tea time. They remained uneaten. Not one of the other teachers would “pollute” themselves by touching the sweets of an untouchable, he said.

That kind of treatment drove Dugal, 45, to leave the village for the relative anonymity of New Delhi.

He changed the last name of his children to try to conceal their low-caste background.

Proudly describing their school honors, he hopes they can get through life without the benefit of quotas.

“I want to save my children from such discrimination,” Dugal said.

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What are you talking about dude? India is shining right now.

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Well said!

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Some people are really pleased....... :D
There was discrimination of blacks and US didn't progress......
Apartaheid in South Africa, it didn't progress..........
By the way, Britain remained at the bottom of rung despite treating others as slaves.......

<< O bhai, India has its problems and its trying to tackle them. Caste and reservation is such a sensitive issue, though its not put under carpet and forgotten about it, it gets discussed in open forums, there are attempts crooked, wrong or write being made to address it.....
Progress and making a better society goes hand in hand and in a country as diverse as India... We have done pretty well to manage ourselves .:)

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oops, I was told that the caste system has died and “might be” prevalent/seen in rural “uneducated” areas whereas this article points out discrimination in a UNIVERSITY :eek:, that is sad!

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whatever kaptaan saab, I dont support reservation. People should be chosen on merit rather on reservation. What respect one can attain by scoring a very small marks and getting into institute like IIT and then get cups in all of the subject.

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You don't support reservation, but do you support casteism? I doubt so. Getting a place in Univ is not really the "issue" here, but existence of casteism.

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People should be chosen on merit rather on reservation. What respect one can attain by scoring a very small marks and getting into institute like IIT and then get cups in all of the subject.
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I agree that it should be all open merit, we have similar issue in Pakistan but lets keep this topic out of this thread.

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Many indians will disagree with what i am going to say. I support reservation the way it is. But i am against it in private sector.

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resevration and stuff..hahaha. India should look at Pakistan as a role model. Islam is a great equalizer. We dont have caste-system.. there are friction that comes to the fore between different castes when it comes to shaadi cuz marriages are still based on biraadri.. there's a problem when as a bhatti rajput you date a gujjar etc. or maybe another janjua but overall its okay.

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dont worry...as time passes what all divisions 'still' are there, will be removed with materialism and modernity.

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India shouldn't look at Pakistan for "role-model", have you seen sticker on back of some cars reading "Don't follow me, I'm lost" :D. In Pakistan we have similar issue called "Quota system" which is based on provincial lines. Now to debate which reservation is better or not is entirely different, IMO there shouldn't be ANY quote/reservation which would then comply with Islam "no Arabi no Ajami discrimination".

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whats the problem?

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Captain saab, there is no second opinion to castism is bad for the society and it should be condemned and trashed. There is no place for castism in a civilized society. I for myself have married from lower caste.
Even the hardcore hinduites are also coming out against castism. But just like religion there are people who exploit the masses based on caste. As the economy and more importantly the education of the people grow, castism will be pushed to the background. In most of the cities atleast in southern India i can fairly confidently say that caste is not that important. But in villages there exist a lot of castism related problems. But its lot less that for egs. 10 years ago.
If u look at the political scene u know that most of the people who wants to keep the castism at the forefront are the so called lower caste people, from Mulayam to Mayawati and to PMK to Dalit panthers party. These idiots do not care to provide for their own folks but intend to loot the public and fill their coffers. This is clear if u look at the places they had ruled or had the oppertunity to do good for their fellow beings and did not.
Reservation is not going to solve the discrimination. The govt should invest more in their elementary education. They should encourage students to study, by giving them large scholerships, free books, good coaching manuals. Govt should adopt these children and make them capable to take on their more previlaged counter part. They should even go to the extent of taking care of their parents as well.
Those who have enjoyed reservation will continue to enjoy and those in ghettoes still continue to be in ghettoes. They should have a honest assessment as to how reservation has helped the harijan people.

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I think reservation reduces the self esteem of the person using it (except for the really besharam ones). I am totally against reservation, specially the caste based reservation.
I think there should be government help in the primary education or maybe for education till class 12th and after that there should be easy loans for good students. This will make the student taking the loan a little more responsible.
Besides the people who really use reservation, quite often do not need it as they are from middle class families. I have seen students from the so called upper class and not having any enough money for higher education. So the caste based reservation is a total waste, although it does get vote bank for the different political parties. Last 50 years are a proof of that.
And reservation in job - No way - there shouldn't be any.

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^ Exactly:k:

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not a problem for you cuz you are a cheetah :D but for us, from the Punjabi heartland.. man. Punjabis in the US also enquire caste etc. usually in the first meeting itself.

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I agree, especially as so many Brahmins are resistant to giving the low castes their rights.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=217477

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It is disgusting that some people use this forum to bash a culture, country and religion. It is important that we use this forum to look into the problems and really think about them. Its a forum to get your idea to other people - from different countries and different religions and different cultures.

India has always had reservation almost since independence, which has not done any good to India. It has only divided it. The idea of reservation was good, but it should have ended 10-20 years back. The government should look into this seriously. They have to find some idea that will work. For that they will have to think for the country.
I have friends who could have used reservation, but chose not to because they think it is not right.
This is just politics. Each party want their votes. What I can tell to the youth of India and to the middle class is that please wake up and vote the next time. Let the politicians know that the time when caste politics worked is gone. Now they have to work and prove that they are worthy of winning an election.

IF

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FYI, it was an anti-Pakistani Indian who posted this thread.

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Posting this kind of post means that the person acknowledges that there is a problem, it means he cares for the country, it does not mean he is bashing India. What he might be trying to say - look there is a problem and if someone is in a position or will be in a position to do something in future please make sure you touch this issue. He might be looking for views on how to make India even better.
Also if he was so anti Pakistan he could have easily cut and pasted articles that show Pakistan in bad light. I can bet there are many on the web.