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chintu but we can discuss what role religion or culture plays in these situations, I mean yeah the ppl are nutjobs twisting religion to do such stupid things, whether it was the dumbass in toronto who killed his daughter or this idiot in chicago, the one thing commion was that they twisted some aspect of their faith and/or culture to ciommit the crime.
Believe me the intent is not to attack hinduism, just like when I questioned the idiocy of the dude in toronto the intent was not to ridicule islam.
goodnews- you could be a little more sensitive though, why attack others faith if we dont liek ours being attacked, thanks.
now come on guys, if educated ppl like cant hold a discussion in a civil manner how can we expect the masses in our nations to do that?
Jab ham apny kissi Muslman ky ghalat Amal ko ghalat kehty hain tuab Hindu ky ghalat Amal per is ko ghalat kehny per is ko ittni mirchin kion lag rahi hain.
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Jab ham apny kissi Muslman ky ghalat Amal ko ghalat kehty hain tu is ko ittni chir kion charh rahi hy.
ahem ahem baba bullehshah!
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my views are simple-
1) we can not discuss this without looking at core reasons, and at teh core aside from an idiot is the idiot's twisting religion or culture to justify his actions to himself.
2) we have to do it in a manner that we are respectful to the faith, the faith is not at trial, this one particular adherent;s twisting of it to justify this murder is.
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this is horrible.
not fit for a father.
will it make people see that just how bad of an impression they leave forever.
ignorance reflected on a whole society and unspeakable savagery.
Dushwari
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Isnt that freaking baba ji's timing a lot off to do a caste killing now?
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its 2008 for crying out loud, anytime i see things like this I just wonder, but i suppose ppl wondered the same in 1980 and 1950 and 1900.
there will always be some moron who will twist his culture and/or faith to justify crap.
to me its more shocking because it hapepned in my city, I have driven by this place and to think that this happened here is a little well surreal
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this is like a muslim man throwing acid on a Muslim woman's face:( just because she didn't wear a hijab and he thought she didn't look modest enough. There have been quite a lot of news stories like this in this world. There are extremist, mentally unstable people in every religion and culture.....they aren't the norm....right?
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i agree I agree, hijab is something which is considered part of modesty, it is debated as far as is it required the way it is, choice versus enforcement. so now can we move beyond this point. yeah morons among muslims use the modesty excuse and all to do this.
so now i want to understand teh basis of this lameness, I never really understood the caste business, so I want to basically understand what are the things that these ppl are twisting. because just like I am sure that islam does not say that if someone is not doing hijab to kill her, i bet hinduism does not say that if someone marries soemoen froma diff caste to kill them. but there is a caste system, which is being used as an excuse, so just trying to understand how the caste system works per teachings and how ppl abuse it for personal agendas.
I do not intend for this to be a religion debate, just one or two posts to help me understand this would help.
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this is like a muslim man throwing acid on a Muslim woman's face:( just because she didn't wear a hijab and he thought she didn't look modest enough. There have been quite a lot of news stories like this in this world. There are extremist, mentally unstable people in every religion and culture.....they aren't the norm....right?
Right
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X2,
well hopefully the people that know and have studied the Hindu scripture to a large extent would be able to help too. The caste system was just suppose to be temporary for that period time long time ago just to assign job titles to people but over the years society took it to an extreme and incorporated it completely into the religion. We have to remember that Hinduism is one of the oldest religions.
I kind of like the way Ed Vishwanathan explains caste system and seeing the whole religion by looking only at the caste system:
"it's much the same as concluding that New York means only Harlem and Times Square. Those ugly, downtrodden places are parts of New York City, but we all know that they do not represent the real New York. Broadway, museums, art galleries and thousands of God-fearing multi-colored citizens make New York. The same argument goes for Hinduism. Of course, since Hinduism is a slowly-developed thinking process which gave absolute freedom of thought and action to its followers, it has so many contradictory aspects. The holy cow and the caste system are parts of Hinduism, but they do not constitute Hinduism. Even mythology is actually intended for common people who cannot understand the truths in the Vedas and Upanisads.
Advaita philosophy, the Bhagavad Gita, Raja Yoga, Pranayama, Mantras, etc are pillars of Hinduism. Anyone who does not want to discuss them is only searching for dirt and getting dirt, barrels and barrels of it.
Most critics look at Hinduism with a preconceived notion and a colored vision. By doing so, they are actually degrading themselves to the level of the Romans who accused Jesus Christ of blasphemy. What a shame! "
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indopak your are preaching to the choir, I dont believe in looking at religions in such a way, believe me I am not trying to look at hinduism by just the caste aspect.
I am trying to only understand the caste aspect as it was meant to be, as it evolved/abused/reformed and as it gets abused now and then as a societal.cultural thing more than a religious thing.
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indopak your are preaching to the choir, I dont believe in looking at religions in such a way, believe me I am not trying to look at hinduism by just the caste aspect.
I am trying to only understand the caste aspect as it was meant to be, as it evolved/abused/reformed and as it gets abused now and then as a societal.cultural thing more than a religious thing.
well I did already explain to you what it was supposed to be in the olden times as a way of organizing society and distributing job duties but nobody bothered to edit it as time went by for future generations and you're right in that it did evolve and was abused by a small number of people for their own selfish needs and made it into the curse that it became. There was no chance for a "new testament" kind of thing like how it was in Christianity.
most Hindus use their minds and don't blindly follow every little detail of their faith. In the bigger cities of India like Bombay the caste system isn't so closely followed but the villages are a different story...right my other Indian guppy friends?
I'm more of a`Huddhist (a mixture of a Hindu and Buddhist):Dand take the best from both
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an opinion: the only form of class difference that can be argued as a difference of being is educational class difference.
because it clearly damages people if they are ignorant or when education really did not make a difference to some, at all.
the abominable impact of caste based class-ism leads to meanness and wickedness of the like that the horrible news at the beginning of the thread shows.
had the father being educated, and was not a slave of his stereotypic malicious narrow-minded poisonous resentment against the caste of his son in law,
the horrible incident could have been prevented.
and more price is paid since the community's social silence is another reason why no one who knew the family could prevent the father from committing the crime of taking lives of his own daughter's and her family.
it could have been all prevented. but each and every one likes to or chooses to remain in their deathly supremacy and self righteous cacoon as well as fear.
Dushwari
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well his superior butt will be kicked in the slammer for a while until the death penalty. he killed 4 ppl including the uborn child. he will probably go for an insanity plea
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I'm more of a`Huddhist (a mixture of a Hindu and Buddhist):Dand take the best from both
me too somewhat similar..:D...but not just hindu and buddhist. may be also jainism, sufism, and even schience...:D
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most Hindus use their minds and don't blindly follow every little detail of their faith. In the bigger cities of India like Bombay the caste system isn't so closely followed but the villages are a different story...right my other Indian guppy friends?
caste system is followed when it comes to marriage, both in cities and villages. But in cities in some cases it is breaking up. and also, i will distinguism caste system and caste discrimination. By discrimination i mean oppression. yes, oppression happens. But it is rare, yet it does happen. In the year 2003, I had a right hand experience/saw of it by my own eyes, when some temple priests/brahmins barred a "low" caste women into a temple and didn't offer the food that was being offered in the temple but offered to everyone else!!..she was literally asked to get out of the temple.
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I agree with X2! The media is just dying to associate Muslims with anything these days!!
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me too somewhat similar..:D...but not just hindu and buddhist. may be also jainism, sufism, and even schience...:D
Singh jee tussi sufi ho gaye ho hoon?