Carter: Israeli apartheid 'worse'

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Do you really believe what you type? The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza didn't happen until after the last war initiated by the Arabs in 1967, **after decades of terrorism **by the Palestinians. The racist, violent actions were started by the Arabs from the get go. Talk about apologists and history revisionsim.

Israel was not expansionist in the least. Israel had no choice but to occupy the lands to stop the attacks. The Palestinians have done nothing to warrant a withdrawl.

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Zionist = Racism.

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There were isolated incidents of terror, as your list proved. The narrative that the Israeli occupation was to contain terror is purely your invention, and so-called "terror" within the territories didn't even become a major part of the Israeli survival rhetoric until the Intefadah. The land grabbed from Jordan, Syria and Egypt was done after a war...had nothing to do with terror.

Israel had ample opportunity to develop the land, a-la American occupation of Iraq. In fact, such was their control over the land that they well could have done it. They had no interest, as the intent was to evict them in the first place (obviously).

There are huge refugee camps that are testament to Israeli ambitions in the region.

Frankly, Israeli is simply reaping what it sowed.

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Ahh…ignorance is bliss I see…how I envy you…to know is such a burden…

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And so are the Palestinians.

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Because we all know in the late 1800’s, it was the Palerstinians who flooded into Europe and kicked out the Jews…:halo:

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more likely they came into Israel after it was created in 1948:halo:

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No, migration of Jews started as early as the late 1800’s.

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in small numbers, but the huge tidal wave of jews came after 1948 when israel was created

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Guerrilla warefare is OLD...basically, anytime a people want to fight against a larger, more organized force, they have no choice but to resort to Guerrilla tactics.

Suicide bombings had been used by the Tamil Tigers well before the Palestinians imported that technique. In WWII, Japanese fighter pilots would essentially do suicide runs, using their plane as a giant bomb.

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Around 30% of the population by 1940...that's hardly insignificant...

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Well, here you have it from the horse’s mouth - not from some zionist or jew hater.
Do note the comparison of current zionist suggestions / actions to those of nazis.
BTW, written in 2002 and guess what happened - invasion of refugee camps by the zionist armed forces, as predicted in this letter.
Food for thought for the zionist entity supporters.

" … It took many years, a lot of blood and Four Mothers - against almost all politicians, generals, and columnists - to finally pull us out of Lebanon. In the long and hard way, we learned that even the Lebanese are human beings whose rights must be respected.
But not the Palestinians. Because the Palestinians are too painfully close, like a rival sibling (and - may I add - because they have always been so weak), we have singled them out for a special treatment. Having them under our rule, we’ve allowed ourselves to trample them like dirt, like dogs. We’ve been doing it even to our own Palestinian citizens (especially before 1966), but we have perfected our treatment in this strange no man’s land created in 1967, and known as the Occupied Territories. There we have created an entirely hallucinatory reality, in which the true humans, members of the Nation of Masters, could move and settle freely and safely, while the sub-humans, the Nation of Slaves, were shoved into the corners, and kept invisible and controlled under our IDF boots.
I know. I’ve been there. I was taught how to do this, back in the mid-1980’s. I did and witnessed as a matter of fact, deeds that I’m ashamed to remember to this day. And fortunately for me, I did not have to witness or do anything truly ‘pornographic’, as some friends of mine experienced.
Since 1987, this cruel, impossible, unnatural, insulting reality in the Territories has been exploding in our face. But because of our unshakeable belief that the Palestinians are monsters who want to throw us into the sea, we reacted by trying to maintain what we’ve created at all costs. This meant of course employing more and more and more force, with the natural result of receiving more and more and more force in return. When a fledgling and hesitating peace process tried to work its way through this mess, one major factor (perhaps THE factor) that undermined it and voided its meaning was our establishment’s endless fear and suspicion of The Other. To resolve this fear and suspicion, we chose the insane route of demanding full control of The Other throughout the process. When this Other finally decided that we’re cheating him out of his freedom (and having too many mental disorders of his own to accommodate ours as well), violence erupted, and all our ancient instincts woke up. There they are, we said in relief, now we see their true face again. The Arabs want to throw us into the sea. There’s no one to talk with (‘no partner’, in our beloved ex-PM’s words), and they understand only force. And so we responded as we know and love, with more and more and more force. This time, the effect was that of putting out a fire with a barrel of gasoline. And that’s the moment when I said to myself, NO, I’m not playing this game anymore.
But what about the existential threat, you may ask? Well I ask you, have you not eyes? Don’t you see our tanks strolling in Palestinian streets every other day? Don’t you see our helicopters hovering over their neighborhoods choosing which window to shoot a missile into? What type of existential need are we answering in trampling the Palestinians?
Prevention of terror, I hear you say. Let me use the wonderful words of my friend Ishay Rosen-Zvi: “You are ‘fighting against terror’? What a joke. The Israeli government, in its policies of Occupation, has turned the Territories into a greenhouse for growing terror!!!”
We have sown the seeds, grown them, nurtured them - and then our blood is spilled, and the centrist-right-wing politicians reap the benefits. Indeed, terror is the right-wing politician’s best friend.
You know what? When you treat millions of people like sub-humans for so long, some of them will find inhuman strategies to fight back.

So here’s the deal. I hope that the first part of this letter made it clear that I don’t buy the “they want to throw us into the sea” crap. It’s just a collective self-delusion of ours. But more importantly, I don’t see tribes. I see people, human beings. I believe that the Palestinians are human beings like us. What a concept, eh? And before everything else, before EVERYTHING else, we must treat them like human beings without demanding anything in return. And no (to all die-hard Barak fans), throwing them a couple of crumbs in which they can set up pitiful, completely controlled Bantustans in between our settlements and bypass roads, and believing it to be a great act of ‘generosity’, does NOT come close to answering this basic requirement. This requirement is NOT negotiable; moreover, in a perfect demonstration of historical justice, it is a vital requirement for the survival of our own State.

In the meanwhile, I refuse to be a terrorist in my tribe’s name. Because that’s what it is: not a “war against terror”, as our propaganda machine tries to sell. This is a war OF terror, a war in which, in return for Palestinian guerrilla and terror, we employ the IDF in two types of terror. The more visible one are the violent acts of killing and destruction, those which some people still try to explain away as ‘surgical acts of defense.’ The worse type of terror is the silent one, which has continued unabated since 1967 and through the entire Oslo process. It is the terror of Occupation, of humiliation on a personal and collective basis, of deprivation and legalized robbery, of alternating exploitation and starvation. This is the mass of the iceberg, the terror that is itself a long-term greenhouse for counter-terror. And I simply refuse to be a terrorist and criminal, even if the entire tribe denounces me.

Does Israel have the exclusive monopoly of labeling all its rivals as Nazis, and everyone else has to shut up, even when reality starts speaking for itself?
Parties that support the essentially Nazi idea of deporting all Palestinians from the country, have been part of our Knesset and our ‘legitimate’ political map since 1984. Recent opinion polls show that 35% of the Jewish public now supports this ‘solution’, as it is sometimes called. Leaders, Rabbis, and just plain folk feel free to call openly in the mass media to eradicate Palestinian cities with or without their tenants. Last weekend, Gen. (res.) Effi Eitam, fresh out of the military and all ready to take the leadership of the religious public and become a deputy or alternative to Netanyahu, received a flattering cover story on Haaretz supplement. He unfolded his chilling ideology, calling to expel those Palestinians who don’t want to remain in the Galilee and West Bank as serfs, to Jordan, and from Gaza to Sinai. And he said this: why should us, the country poorest in land resources, bear the burden of solving the Palestinian problem? Well I don’t know about you, but I remember some of the Nazi rhetoric in that dark period between the Kristallnacht of 1938 and the beginning of the war, when Jews were expelled from Germany but could find no safe haven anywhere else. When I see a retired IDF general and rising political star use the exact same Nazi rhetoric on Israel’s most ‘liberal’ newspaper, without any criticism by his interviewer or the editors - my hair just stands on my head in horror.

Let’s hear it from senior IDF officers. One of the top commanders in the Territories was quoted in Haaretz (Jan. 25) as saying that in order to prepare for potential battles in dense urban neighborhoods, the IDF must learn, if necessary, how the German army ‘operated’ in the Warsaw Ghetto. A week later, the reporter confirmed this quote and the fact that this is a widespread opinion in the IDF, and went further to morally defend it.

Knowing the IDF mentality and adding one to one, I concluded that the IDF is operationally prepared to invade refugee camps - an utter, indefensible war crime - and through this leak to the press it is starting to pressure the government and prepare the public opinion for the invasion.

Let me end this ‘Nazi’ discussion with Jose Saramagu’s brave statement a couple of days ago. In case you haven’t heard (no such case, I presume), he visited Ramallah and said that the reality imposed by Israel in Palestine is a crime. A crime that can be compared with Buchenwald and Auschwitz.
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no, israel's population went to 1.1 million in 1949

more than 600,000-700,000 came after israel was created in 1948

mostly jews that were expelled by arab countries after israel was created

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haha-haha! its hard to dispute made-up facts!

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since you clearly dont know anything, you shouldnt be the one to comment

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Yes, AFTER Israel was created...prior to that, it was the European Jews who were agitating for a Jewish homeland, and colonizing the place.

Jews were a significant percentage of the population since 1940, which was by 1948 even more skewed once the non-Jewish Arabs were expelled, and Arab Jewry brought in...