Cant post a single thread without it being eaten up by stupid fights

Ok my last topic went haywire cause some people cant seem to stick to the topic

However one very interesting point came up that Milads are Bidat
huh?

When asked why are they a Bidat?
the answer was cause it wasnt practiced in the times of The Prophet

That is not a satisfactory answer

I want to the point answer to this question
Why are Milads a Bidat

As far as my knowledge is concerned Milads were very enchanting gatherings where naats and hamds were sung
then came the Jamaatis who started saying we arent standing during the Salam part

Kher forget that
So whats Wrong in singing praises bout Allah and His Prophet?

Ps. All idiots who cant keep their points to the topic Stay Away

Well in my view there is nothing wrong with singing praises of Allah and His prophet and this part is not a bidat.But to fix a certain date for it and celebrating the prophet(pbuh)'s birthday is seen as a bidat by many.You see the argument is that these become religious rasoomat i.e. a practice and to have invent practices in islam is a bidat.This is the same argument that is used to say that holding Quran khawani for dead is alright but to do it especially on soaim and chaleeswan especially is worng.That attaches a signifance to those days that simply isn't there.Similalry some people say that all days are the same except specified by the prophet(pbuh)and to think of anything special of the prophet's birthday is wrong.This view is also supported by the fact that the prophet(pbuh)himself or the sahabas didnot do this.
There are also some ahadith in this regard I think relevant to this but I donot remember them right now.
Some however think that the day of prophet's birth is a great day and should be observed in a special manner by all muslims.The evidence seems to suggest that the first side has a stronger argument but then i'm not sure if those in favour of milaad have something more solid to offer.Anyway the disagreement about the day of prophet(pbuh)'s birth is a very interesting point in this regard.

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We were not taugh that singing naats and hamds is bidat.

We were taught that standing while offering "salam" is bidat because we are in fact, providing more respect to Mohammed pbuh, than to Allah (God forbid).

Sorry...I misused terminology.

Offering "salam" while standing would be shirk, not bidat.

[This message has been edited by Muzna (edited November 23, 2000).]

Innovations arent neccesarily 'wrong'. Honestly speaking, all brands of Islam practiced today are off course compared to what Prophet SAW gave to his followers. We have included countless additions to our prayers and duas, things that didnt exist during the time of Prophet SAW. But in my mind, that doesnt automatically mean any such additions are wrong. The reason that such additions are prohibited is not because they will "always be wrong". Its because they will eventually evolve into something thats wrong.
Looking at it from a milaad perspective, there are people who read naats and hamds, and are content at that. But there will be some who, as a result of a milad, will think that singing the praises of Prophet SAW(a human being) means u can also sing the praises of any other pious muslim. So those will start singing praises of baba buley shah, data ganj baksh and the likes. And that snowballs into them going to these peer faqeers graves and doing thing that ultimately amount to shirk. So even though the initial innovation (milaad) wasnt wrong, what it evolved into turned out to be wrong. Hence, in order to avoid such evolutions, innovations have been prohibited.

Yar Akif for Christ's sake paragraph your posts at least by two lines space. I don't care about others but yours I absolutely want to read.

Back to the topic.

Anchal, when something was not done by Mohammad, we shouldn't do either. When ALlah or his messenger forbid us to do something, we should NOT ask why this and why that[childern of Israel use to say this, the "why" questions]

Our job is to obey the messenger on what ever he commands and what ever he forbids. We should do what ever he did and we shouldn't do what he did not do. We should not ask "why" are you forbidding this practice..so on.

Milad is something which was not practiced by Mohammad, his companions, the people after companions and the people after companions. And when you add something like milad into the religion of Islam, thinking is it good, what you are really doing is insulting the prophet Mohammad and insulting Allah for not giving us complete Islam.

Islam was completed at the time of Mohammad I will come back with more details with some verses from Quran. Inshallah, take it easy.


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*


----*Priest-OF- Painful Truth*----

Other thing I would like to point out is:

If birthday of MOhammad was so important to him and sahabah, why didn't they started the Islamic year from the birthdate of Mohammad, like Christians have for Jesus?

Islamic year was started when Mohammad migrated to Madina from Mekkah.

More later.


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*


----*Priest-OF- Painful Truth*----

The bidat part also comes from thinking the Prophet is present amongst them at the Milad.

I was told by my mother that Milad of yesteryears had a chair left empty (chairperson) as it is for the prophet. Geez... I am not sure if it is still carried out.

I agree with the fact that in matters of religion - things which were not done by the prophet or the sahaba should not be carried out or condoned as they are bidat and not saying that is 'gunnah'

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Originally posted by Muzna:**
We were taught that standing while offering "salam" is bidat because we are in fact, providing more respect to Mohammed pbuh, than to Allah (God forbid).

Sorry...I misused terminology.

Offering "salam" while standing would be shirk, not bidat.**
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What are we talking about here?

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Originally posted by Anchal:
**Ok my last topic went haywire cause some people cant seem to stick to the topic

However one very interesting point came up that Milads are Bidat
huh?

When asked why are they a Bidat?
the answer was cause it wasnt practiced in the times of The Prophet

That is not a satisfactory answer

I want to the point answer to this question
Why are Milads a Bidat

As far as my knowledge is concerned Milads were very enchanting gatherings where naats and hamds were sung
then came the Jamaatis who started saying we arent standing during the Salam part

Kher forget that
So whats Wrong in singing praises bout Allah and His Prophet?

Ps. All idiots who cant keep their points to the topic Stay Away**
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Stick to your belief. Wahhabies are the ones who started saying Milad is forbidden. Nothing is wrong with reciting Qur'an, Na^t (Madih), and speeches about the Prophet and sahabah. Miladun-Nabiyy is made worldwide Millions of Millions of Muslims celebrate it. And the first one who made Mawlid was Al Hakim Al Muthaffar Hakim Irbil, he was a brilliant scholar and he invited thousands of scholars to the milad they all agreed on it. Prophet Muhammad which means: <> There are two types of innovations mentioned in this hadith: the innovations of guidance and the innovations of misguidance. As Imam Ash-Sahfi^iyy said.

What complies with the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^ (scholarly consensus), and the sayings and practices of the Companions is an innovation of guidance, and what contradicts the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^, and the sayings and actions of the Companions is an innovation of misguidance. This definition of the two types of innovations was given by many knowledgeable and trustworthy scholars of Islam; among them Imam ash-Shafi^iyy, Imam an-Nawawiyy, al-Bayhaqiyy, and the Hafidh, Ibn Hajar al-^Asqalaniyy.

It is apparent Muslims have not gone astray in celebrating the birth of the Prophet, based upon the aforementioned hadith, because the deeds practiced during this event are considered rewardable by the standards of the Religion, and in line with the definition of innovations of guidance.

there we go.. mudslinging again..

I am quite sure so called 'wahabis' have no problem with sitting down and reading naats and reciting quran.. I think they just have the problem with it being on that particular day..

have a milad tomorrow.. have it two months ago..

the main problem i know some people have had is with the play by people that the prophet is present amongst them during milad..

has the prophet reached the same states as allah that he can be everywhere and listen to everything? - considering there are millions of places the milad is held.

or is he become like santa clause.. going across the whole world in one day..

Very valid points blackzero. Your thoughts and those of my family are completely in unison.

We would love to have milads...only issue is that those in our social circle would not agree with our "methods". Many of them would stand and bow their heads in reverance as if huzoor (saw) is actually in the room.

To prevent perpetuating such acts we stopped having milaads altogether. We'll just have to wait until our social circle is one that is in agreement with our beliefs.

Acha a couple of points
Frist If a thing wasnt practiced in the times of Prophet then it becomes a Bidat?

How come
There are so many things that we do these days that werent even imaginable during those days ...so do they all become a Bidat?

I remember Milads in our house
the day they were held our house had this calm atmosphere ....everything looked so pure ...or maybe that was cause of the white sheets on the floor
I dont really know bout leaving empty chairs....or bowing heads
the early early milads were basically haveing a Quran Khawni, followed by some hamds and naats and then salaam and dua

Ok here is another question
like its a common practice that when there is a wedding to take place its usually started with a Milad and Quran Khwani
The intention there is to start with the name of Allah and for good wished to the couple

So is that kinda practice not allowed to?

AhmadG
I really dont believe in dividing the muslims because they belong to different sects
it doesnt matter to me whether a person is a shia or a wahabi or a ahmedi
to me they are all muslims
I dont follow anyone i just go with my heart...and if i need any guidance i ask Allah

I loved Milads, it had this soothing calming effect on me....i didnt think that the Prophet was among us ...
I havent been to a Milad for a while neither have i had a Milad gathering in our home because of the differences among people
'we wont stand, we wont sing, we wont blah blah blah'

Mummy used to say that doing Milads and Quran Khwanis bring barkat to the house

Ok last point
there are women in Karachi who charge some kinda fees for coming and singing naats etc in your Milad
Is that OK?

Secondly whats wrong with celebrating Birthdays
its basically remembering The Prophet ....

bdays,milaad,

Anchal,
Because you had milads in your house, you should clearly remember the procedure: ladies come in, take a copy of a surah (yasin/para) from the huge pile sitting on a nearby table, sit down adn start reciting..right?

now, lets say i come in, and i dont know arabic..i dont know what is that im reading and what it means in my language, urdu. I just start by rolling my finger along the lines and reciting the pages on and on and on....

how is that barkat? I've seen ppl sit side by side and one person reads the left page while the other reads the right one.....how is that right?..."ALLAH KA QALAM HAI, KOI JOKW NAHI"

now lemme ask you, WHAT IS THE QURAN? it is a guide for the muslim ummah to go by until judgement day because we will not have any more messengers sent to us for guidance.

so baack to the pt. now, how does me reading one para, you reading another, the girl next to me reading half, the lady on teh other side reading 3 COMPARE to your mom, dad, you (basic family) sitting down to say "DUA" from the purity of your heart to Allah?HOw does it compare?...i know which one i would pick!

as for birthdays....they are translated in urdu as saal GIRA...matlab ek or saaal gir gaya aap ki umar say....(this is a vague example)...why celebrate it? instead you could sit there and pray to allah for forgiveness of all the sins you committed this past year...and ask blessings for the coming year (although i dont do that, i also dont have bday parties)
No, the prophet never celebrated birthdays..not his, not his wives, not his daughters, not his relatives....and its clearly known that anything the prophet did not do and it is added to our practices today, it is biddat...

Just got one answer for you

A glass is half filled with water

There are some people whi will see it as half fill
and there are others who will see it as half empty

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Originally posted by Anchal:
**Acha a couple of points
Frist If a thing wasnt practiced in the times of Prophet then it becomes a Bidat?

How come**
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Anchal the concept of bidat is not a sectarian one.This is agreed upon by all scholars.You therefore cannot deny that.Just pointing this out to help you here.
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There are so many things that we do these days that werent even imaginable during those days ...so do they all become a Bidat?
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Please elaborate on this.What things?This question of yours cannot be ansered without you giving examples.

I am already confused a lot by the use of the word bida’a, left right and center…

On my research spree on the internet, I found lots of scholars who have addressed the issue of milads. Here is one such response:

This is a cut-and-paste from http://www.albalagh.net/qa/milad_qa.shtml

Here is another cut-and-paste from [http://www.islam-qa.com/QA/4|The_science_of_evidence_and_sources_that_serve_a_basi(Usool_ul-Fiqh/Bida’ah_(Innovations_in_Religion_and_Worship)/Mawlid_al-Nabi_the_Prophets_birthday.](http://www.islam-qa.com/QA/4|The_science_of_evidence_and_sources_that_serve_a_basi(Usool_ul-Fiqh/Bida’ah_(Innovations_in_Religion_and_Worship)/Mawlid_al-Nabi_the_Prophets_birthday.) 06071998.249.shtml

Confused? Welcome to the club!

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Anchal Bid'ah:

BID'AH (INNOVATIONS)

Bid'ah - Its Meaning, Aspects, Dangers, And The Solution
An anonymous contribution based on By Shaykh Jamal Zarabozo's lecture

The religion of Islam, the religion of Muslims, is based on only one teaching. In other words there is only one 'true' Islam. There is no such thing as different versions of Islam or different types or classes of this Deen. The true path is only one way which lies under the shade of the Qur'ân, the Sunnah and the understanding of the Companions.

As was illustrated by our beloved Prophet (Saw) and was narrated by Ibn Mas'ud that one day the Prophet (saw) drew a straight line on the ground and He said, "This is the path of Allah." Then he drew some lines to the left and right to it and said, "These are the erred paths and on each of these paths, there is Shaytaan calling to it." Then he recited the following verse from the Qur'ân (which means):

"Verily, this is my straight path so follow it and do not follow the other paths that will take you away from the true path."

In fact, if we look in the Qur'ân, when Allah (swt) describes the truth, it is always described as singular. For example, the word 'al-noor' which is singular is used for the truth, as opposed to 'zulumath' which is plural. It is a prime example from the Qur'ân the clearly shows us that the right way is one way only. Any deviation from the true path is not an acceptable 'branch' of Islam but as the scholars call it, is a "Bid'ah" .

Unfortunately, due to several reasons, the concept of "Bid'ah" is not as clear to everyone as it should be. A reason for that is a lot of people are confused about 'good' "Bid'ah" or "Bid'ah"-e-hasana.

Secondly, there are many things which we do now that were not done at the time of Prophet (saw). With the outset of such widespread "Bid'ah", people are confused, and rightly so, as to what is actually SUNNAH and what in religion is not sunnah- i.e. "Bid'ah"

These misconceptions call for the need to establish the fundamental step which is to know "Bid'ah" , the concepts of "Bid'ah" according to Ahl-Sunnah Wal Jamaah and the aspects of "Bid'ah" . Bid'ah, its Meaning: (heresy, innovation)

"Any invented act or path in the religion that is made to compete or resemble the Sharee'ah and that is followed for the same purpose as Sharee'ah is supposed to be followed."

From this definition and from the statements of Prophet (saw) about "Bid'ah" or innovation, we can come up with some general ideas or concepts about "Bid'ah" that explains this definition. Aspects of Bid'ah:

Some of the aspects or concepts of "Bid'ah" are as follow:

  1. Every Bid'ah is Dalalah.

Linguistically "Bid'ah" is something which is new or something which was not done before, i.e., it has no precedent. From the point of view of Sharee'ah , every "Bid'ah" is Dalalah and there is no such thing as 'good' "Bid'ah" . Prophet (saw) said in an ahaadith, "Kullo dalalatin fin naar (every dalalah is in hellfire)."

Dalalah means to be astray or to be away form the truth. If we look in the Qur'ân, we will see how Allah (swt) used the word 'dalalah' or 'dal'. It is not used for the one who commits a sin or makes a mistake with respect to the deen but it is used for those people who have gone astray form the straight path or who have divided the religion. For instance in Surah Fatiha (first chapter), the word 'Daaleen' is not used for mere sinners but it is used for people who have gone astray form the true path, the Christians.

So when Prophet (saw) described "Bid'ah", he used the harsher form of deviation, i.e. dalalah, as he said, " Kullo bid'atin dalalah (every "Bid'ah" is dalalah)." He didn't just say that every "Bid'ah" is a sin or is wrong but in fact it is something much greater than that. It is a misguidance, something that takes us AWAY from the right path.

  1. Bid'ah is performed as a way of pleasing and getting closer to Allah (swt).

In other words, when someone follows a "Bid'ah" , he claims that by doing this he will be closer to Allah (swt). This is much different from committing a sin. As Ahmad Ibn Hanbal once said, "The greatest sinner (faasiq) from the Ahl-Sunnah Wal Jamaah is better than the most pious person from Ahl-"Bid'ah".

The sinner, at least, knows that whatever he is doing is wrong and doesn't claim that it's halaal and should be done to please Allah (swt) and so on. However, the one who commits "Bid'ah" not only goes against Qur'ân and Sunnah but also claims that what he does is pleasing to Allah (swt) and a way of getting closer to Him. And this is one of the greatest lies one can commit to say that some act is pleasing to Allah and has no proof from Allah (swt) about his claim.

So part of the concept of "Bid'ah" is that one who commits it claims that it is approved by the religion and Sharee'ah and it is beloved to Allah (swt). This is also one of the dividing points between what is "Bid'ah" and what is not.

  1. Bid'ah can be both in inventing new actions or in shunning an action.

Meaning, when someone originates a new practice saying that it is approved by Sharee'ah without a proof is "Bid'ah". In the same way, when someone avoids something claiming that by avoiding such and such practice he is pleasing Allah and has no proof for it form Qur'ân or Sunnah is also "Bid'ah".

For example, during Prophet (saw)'s time three people came to the Prophet offering their types of '"Bid'as". One claimed that he will pray the whole night, every night for the rest of his life. One claimed that he will fast every day in the future and the third one said that he will never marry. The Prophet was swift in his disapproval of these "good" "Bid'as" (at the outset, one would think how could anything be wrong with worshipping Allah all the time). The Prophet told these people that he was the best among all mankind and that he prayed some part of the night and slept another part, that he fasted some days while did not in others and that he was married. While the first two wanted to increase their worship beyond what Sharee'ah requires, the third person intended to avoid marriage or shun or elude something which is totally legal in Sharee'ah and approved by Allah (swt). Like the Christian monks and priests and the 'Muslim' Sufis claim that by not marrying they are pleasing Allah (swt) is "Bid'ah" and against Islam. Or if a vegetarian claims that by not harming a living soul he is pleasing Allah is also "Bid'ah" because Allah has allowed it and made it halaal for us to eat the meat of animals (of course, only the animals He has made halaal).

  1. Anything in Sharee'ah can have a BID'AH created or related to it.

Sharee'ah comprises Aqeedah, beliefs, acts of worship and business or public dealings (mu'amlaat). So, "Bid'ah" is not just in matters of Aqeedah or acts of worship but it could also be in business or public dealings. For example, if a person claims that 4 witnesses are required for business deal rather than the 2 that are instituted by Islam then he or she is exceeding the limits of Sharee'ah and falling into "Bid'ah".

  1. Bi'dah has no source and or evidence in Qur'ân, Sunnah of Prophet (Saw) and in the actions or Ijma (agreement) of Sahâbah's.

One famous example that is quoted by the Ahl-Bid'ah in their desire to make some forms of "Bid'ah" halaal, is the example of Umar (ra) and the tarawih prayers. They claim that since Umar (ra) started daily tarawih prayers in Ramadhaan while the Prophet (saw) only performed 3 nights, and Umar (ra) said that he started a good "Bid'ah" , we can accept the concept of "Bid'ah". However, this is a failure to distinguish the linguistic meaning of "Bid'ah" from its Sharee'ah meaning. For instance Allah refers in the Qur'ân to his Sunnah. Obviously when one refers to SUNNAH, it is a reference to the Prophet's Sunnah and its Sharee'ah aspects. Similarly when Umar (ra) referred to the regular tarawih prayers, he was only referring to the linguistic meaning. The proof for this claim is clear. Tarawih prayers were not some new practice in religion. The Prophet (saw) instituted the tarawih prayers. The only reason that he stopped after 3 nights was clarified in his own saying that he did not wish that the tarawih prayers be made obligatory upon the Muslims. However, at the Prophet's death, the message of Islam had been perfected and tarawih prayers would always be recommended and not mandatory. Thus, Umar (ra) only started the practice of regularly performing a Sunnah not STARTING a Sunnah.

To conclude this section of the article, it must be understood that "Bid'ah" is not only a new invention in the religion claimed to be pleasing to Allah (swt), but the one who creates and the one who follows "Bid'ah" actually assert that there is some shortcoming in the deen. In reality, they are stating that there is some way to get closer to Allah (swt) and to please Him that is not found in the Qur'ân or the Sunnah of Prophet (saw). That they have found a way to believe or act and to worship Allah that is pleasing to Him and which is BETTER than the way of Prophet (saw). That this perfect Deen of Islam is missing something in it and that is why they are adding something to it or this Deen had too much in it and that is why they are taking something's away. This, in essence, is "Bid'ah" - the concept of a not-so-wholesome Deen.

It is an (Naudhobillah) insult to Allah (swt) to say that He could not reveal or teach Prophet (saw) the best way and so they had to find the best way on their own. It is also a denial to what Allah (swt) Himself said in the Qur'ân:

"Today, I have completed and perfected your religion for you and chose Islam for you as your Deen" (5:3)

It is also a denial to what Prophet (saw) said:

"There is nothing that shall take you closer to Allah (swt) than what He has told you to do and nothing will take you away than what He has prohibited."

Hence, we must hate "Bid'ah". This is the bottom-line. This hatred is one of the aspects of our love for Allah and the Prophet (saw) and love for a Deen that we know is perfect and will always remain so.

Dangers of Bid'ah:

Shaykh Mohammed Sharoot wrote in his book on "Bid'ah" that if the dangers of "Bid'ah" were restricted simply to the person who follows it, then maybe we would not get as upset or as worried as we are now, but in fact, the dangers of "Bid'ah" and the harms and evils of "Bid'ah" spread from the person following it to the people he is around and finally to the entire Ummah. The Deen as a whole is effected because of their heresy and innovations.

Here are some dangers of "Bid'ah" :

  1. Bid'ah causes disunity in the Ummah.

It is first and foremost because of Ahl-"Bid'ah" that there is division and fractionalization among this Ummah. This is proven very clearly from history. All of the Sahâbahs were following the way of Prophet (saw). They all loved and cared for each other even when they had a difference of Ijtihad after Uthmaan (ra). They fought with Ali (ra) and Mu'awiyah (ra) against each other but they would still take Ahaadeeth from each other, pray together and marry their daughters to each other. Their fight was due to their difference of Ijtihad but their love was still for the sake of Allah and they were still united on the way of Prophet (saw). However, when the Khawarij brought out their ideas during the famous battle of camel between Mu'awiyah and Ali (ra on both), many Muslims split from the ranks of the Ahl-Sunnah and hence became the first of the Ahl-"Bid'ah" (the people of "Bid'ah"). It is interesting to note that not even ONE Sahâbah was present among the Khawarij which in itself speaks of many volumes.

Hence, when it comes to Ahl-"Bid'ah", the situation becomes totally different. The Ummah split because of Ahl-"Bid'ah" . When they bring their new ideas and acts of worship to the religion, the one group that is always supposed to be sticking to the truth (as Prophet had mentioned) i.e. the Ahl-Sunnah, reject these heretic ideas. They refuse to accept Ahl-"Bid'as" concepts and methodology.

The general statement made by various 'scholars' of today, "We all should over come our differences and be united and fight with Kuffar", is a nice statement as a theory. However, practically it is not acceptable because we can not be united with people who do not agree with all tenants of Qur'ân and Sunnah. It is our duty to oppose people when we see them following "Bid'ah" once the evidence has been established.

  1. Bid'ah is the cause of Fitnah (test or trials) or severe punishment for this Ummah.

By definition the people of "Bid'ah" are refusing to follow the commands and orders of Prophet (saw). Allah (swt) says in the Qur'ân:

"For those people who are differing from the commands of Prophet, there will come to them either a Fitnah (test or trial from Allah) or a severe punishment."

Once Imam Maalik was asked about putting on the Ahram from the Prophet's mosque rather than the miqaad. He said, "I fear for that person that some Fitnah will come to him." The man said, "Why? I am just adding a little to the boundaries of Ahram." Since by doing so, he was going against the commands of Prophet (saw), Imam Maalik recited the above verse from the Qur'ân.

  1. Bid'ah is the source of fasaad (evils) in the Ummah

If we look at the Sharee'ah (laws of the Qur'ân and Sunnah), it was meant for the well-being of mankind in this world and in hereafter. Anytime we go astray from the true teachings and accept any law other than the laws of Qur'ân and Sunnah then we miss that well-being (maslaha) and replace it with fasaad. By bringing new methodologies or concepts, the Ahl-"Bid'ah" actually change the way that will bring the most happiness in here and in hereafter to a way that will not bring the 'maslaha' (well-being).

  1. Bid'ah cause Sunnah to die and creates hatred for Sunnah.

Whenever people introduce any "Bid'ah" it usually replaces some Sunnah. Or people add to Sunnah to the point where Sunnah is not practiced correctly anymore.

Ibn Abbas said, "When "Bid'ah" is created then the Sunnah dies and this continues until that "Bid'ah" is living and the Sunnah is dead."

Hasan Ibn Attiya, one of the Ta'baeen said, "When the people accept the "Bid'ah" ,
Allah removes the Sunnah from among them and doesn't return it until the day of judgment."

So, not only does "Bid'ah" cause the Sunnah to die but at the same time it causes hatred for the Sunnah. Ahl-"Bid'ah" not only refuses to accept the actual Sunnah but also avoid going to the masjid or places where Sunnah is practiced. For instance, they show great disdain at Muslims that pray with their shoes on while this is an established Sunnah. It is common to see these Ahl-"Bid'ah" going at great lengths to describe the filth that shoes carry and it would not be 'right' to pray wearing them. Why do these same people forget that it is not 'right' to make a decision on the religion of Allah, the sole owner of this Deen? Allah knows what is beneath our shoes or what was beneath the Sahâbahs shoes or the Prophet's (saw) shoes but he still allowed it and as Muslims, we are to hear and obey (as the Qur'ân instructs us) and not to pass judgments. That is what happens when the "Bid'ah" spreads. Much hatred is created for the Sunnah that it gets hard for people to follow Sunnah. They get continuous pressure to change their ways. And even if there are some people who truly want to follow the Sunnah, Ahl-"Bid'ah" confuse them so much and mix the lies with truth so much so that they get totally puzzled by Ahl-"Bid'as" arguments and end up following the "Bid'ah". They get pulled into "Bid'ah" and they are not able to see the truth anymore, although they were sincere to Allah (swt). So, Inshaallah, Allah will judge them according to their intentions but we know well that actions that are not within the fold of Qur'ân and Sunnah are unacceptable irrespective of the intentions behind them.

  1. Bid'ah is a stepping stone to Kufr.

One of the early scholars, Al-Barbahaaree, one of the companions of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, said, "Beware of "Bid'ah", because every "Bid'ah" started out as something small and resembling the truth and people were fooled by it and followed it until it became bigger and bigger and were trapped by it and it took them out of Islam."

Ibn Taymiyyah has a nice passage in one of his books showing that: "In fact, the kufr of Jews and Christians is because of "Bid'ah". They introduced new things into the religion and those things took them completely away from the true message of Musa (Moses) and Isaa (Jesus) Alaihumma Salam".

  1. For the Ummah as a whole, BID'AH hurts the spreading of Islam and Da'waah for the sake of Allah.

One of the easiest ways is that usually the ideas of Ahl-"Bid'ah" are used by the enemies of Islam to portray Islam. Most times TV shows will portray Islam as Sufis making 'zikr' which in fact has nothing to do with Islam. They are setting these things up to make people run away from Islam because belief of Ahl-"Bid'ah" is not from the 'fitra'. Only 'real' Islam contains the fitra and people will not be attracted to something which goes against the fitra. For instance, the group of Farrakhan, the nation of Islam being portrayed by Kuffars as an 'Islamic' group. Someone who is looking for the 'truth' will never be attracted to their ideas and beliefs which are being spread in the name of Islam.

  1. Individually, BID'AH destroys the Akhira of the person.

The best example is like the termite being allowed to live in wood. Imagine "Bid'ah" is the termite and the person is the wood. Sooner or later the person will be ruined because it is clearly shown by the several hadith of Prophet (saw). Bid'ah will be rejected in the hellfire. Allah (swt) puts a barrier between the person committing "Bid'ah" and repentance. This person and his supporters are cursed by Allah and the angels. He will be turned away from the fountain of Prophet (saw) on the day of judgment. His deeds will be rejected as long as he commits the "Bid'ah". He will be thinking in the world that he is doing something pleasing to Allah, whereas, in hereafter, he will find out that there is no benefit to what he did. He will not only bear the burden of his "Bid'ah" but also of anyone who followed him.

Solution to Avoid Bid'ah:

First of all, the people claiming to follow the Sunnah and being from Ahl-Sunnah Wal Jamah have to realize the dangers of bi'dah and how it is an obligation upon them to hate and oppose "Bid'ah". For instance, if a group tries to oppose a "Bid'ah", the first people to come and defend the Bid'ah are the ones who claim to be from Ahl-Sunnah. They say that they should not impose things and give people freedom of what they are doing and so on.

This is at best weird because when anything goes against Qur'ân and Sunnah then there is no such thing as giving others freedom of doing what they want. This is basically, due to the lack of understanding of Bid'ah.

Secondly, we have to establish "Amara bil ma'roof wa naheen anil munkar (ordering good and forbidding evil)." Bid'ah is a kind of high Munkar (evil) and Prophet (saw) has clearly told us in a ahaadeeth that we should stop Munkar with the best of our abilities.

Last but not least, we should educate ourselves about the 'real' Sunnah of Prophet (saw) and find out what is Bid'ah and what is not. We have to look at the tafseer (explanation) of the Qur'ân as well as the hadith of the Prophet (saw). When understanding the verses of the Qur'ân and the hadith of Prophet (saw) we have to take into consideration the context and the time of the revelation of the verse or the hadith of Prophet (saw).

For instance, many people misinterpret the hadith of the Prophet (saw) where he mentioned the reward of those who introduce a good practice in Islam, with introducing 'innovations' in Islam. However, if one reads the earlier portion of this Hadith in Muslim, it clarifies the misconception. Prophet (saw) said it when he saw some poor people sitting outside the mosque and no one helped them. He (Prophet saw) was unhappy and delivered a sermon reminding people to fear Allah (swt). After the speech someone brought a big load of charity and give it to those people. When others saw him doing so, they all started giving charity to those people until the expression of Prophet (saw)'s face changed form anger to happiness.

Basically, the man gave charity, which is an allowable and a good act from Sharee'ah . So, if someone does an act which people have been neglecting, and is an allowable act and in accordance of Sharee'ah and people follow him then he gets his reward and reward for being followed without either one's reward being reduced. Hence, although, this constitutes the literal meaning of Bid'ah hasana, it has no relation whatsoever to the Sharee'ah meaning of Bid'ah. The same applies for an evil act.

May Allah protect us form committing Bid'ah and guide us all to the His path and help us in strengthening our faith. All the good is from Allah (saw) and His Messenger (saw) and all the evil is form me and Shaytaan.


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*


----*Priest-OF- Painful Truth*----

There are two more another cut and paste scholar responses that you may be interested in… they are relatively short.

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But you may find that they are not exhaustive answers. Both responses are from:

http://www.understanding-islam.com

The articles have been provided below their respective links:


http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-064.htm

Question:

*What is the Meaning of the term Bid`ah? *

Reply:

*Bidah means invention in religion that is, any belief or practice which was not originally a part of religion but is included in it later. The Prophet (pbuh) has strictly warned against such practice as it distorts the true religion of Allah. However, this invention is only in terms of the religious injunctions. It has nothing to do with cultural and technological changes, which are not part of religion, as some people wrongly believe. For example wearing a dress according to one’s own culture and not the one worn by the Prophet (pbuh), will not fall under Bidah, because the style of dress is not a part of religion. On the other hand, any religious practice, which is instituted without the authority of the Prophet (pbuh) shall be called a “Bid`ah”. An example of such a practice may be the ritualistic reading of the Qur’an – with the false concept of transferring its reward to the dead – at gatherings arranged on the third, the seventh, the tenth and the fortieth (etc.) day of a person’s death.

I hope this explanation answers your question. You can always get back if you are still unclear. However, this is only my opinion in this regard and I admit any chance of mistake in forming this opinion. I would be open to other points of view if based on stronger reasons. May Allah guide us all towards the right path.

Amar Ellahi Lone*


http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-107.htm

Question:

Can Muslim sing songs about the prophets or Islam? Like the book call “ISHQ-E-HABEEB” A BOOK OF ISLAMIC SONGS.

Reply:

*In my opinion, there is nothing wrong in writing or reciting any verses in praise of the Prophet (pbuh), as poetry has traditionally been an effective means of expressing our emotions in a attractive way. However, there are two things in this respect, which should be dealt with a lot of care. Firstly, these verses should not promote anything contrary to the real and basic teachings of Islam. For instance, I have personally observed that in many of such poetic verses, the Prophet (pbuh) is projected to be an advocate and far more merciful for his Ummah than even the Almighty. This idea is, obviously, not in keeping with the teachings of Islam. Likewise, in such poetic verses, sometimes the Prophet (pbuh) is projected to be far superior to all the other prophets of God. Once again, such a projection is not only beyond our jurisdiction – as such grading of prophets is the sole jurisdiction of God, Himself – but is also against the teachings of the Qur’an as well as sayings ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh).

Secondly, another important aspect in the writing or the recitation of such poetical verses is that such an action should not be considered an act of worship or something similar in reward to an act of worship. Ascribing such a status to reciting such poetic verses or to participating in gatherings in which such verses are recited, not being authorized by the Prophet (pbuh) can only be considered a bid`ah – an innovation in the body of Islam – and, therefore, something to be refrained from.

I hope this helps. In case any aspect of question remains unanswered, please feel free in writing back to me at your own convenience.

May God guidance to the path of his liking.

Regards,

The Learner*


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In my opinion, there is nothing wrong

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