Canadian Muslim group calls for burqa ban

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From DAWN

OTTAWA: A Muslim group on Thursday called for a ban on the wearing of burqas in public in Canada, saying it ‘marginalizes women.’

‘The burqa has absolutely no place in Canada,’ said Farzana Hassan of the Muslim Canadian Congress.

‘In Canada we recognize the equality of men and women. We want to recognize gender equality as an absolute. The burqa marginalizes women.’

Many Muslim women in this country are being forced to wear the loose robe and veil by their husbands and family, setting them apart from other Canadian women who are living freely, she claimed.

Hassan acknowledged the Quran preaches modesty, but ‘it doesn’t have to be that you have to cover your face or you have to wear a virtual tent wherever you go. This is not a requirement of Islam or the Quran.’

Hassan blamed extremist Muslims for its rising popularity in Canada. ‘To counter this trend, we are asking for a ban on the burqa,’ she said.

The call follows an edict by a top Muslim authority in Egypt calling for a ban on the burqa.

Several European countries, including France, Italy and Denmark, have also called for burqa bans in recent years.

Last year, an Ontario judge ruled that a woman testifying against her alleged rapist does not have the right based on religious beliefs to wear a veil in court. The decision is being appealed.

In 2007, a controversy also erupted over a Quebec election official’s decree to Muslim women to remove their veil at the ballot box so that their identity could be verified.

Hassan was not able to say exactly how many women in Canada wear the burqa, but said ‘it is on the rise’ in Toronto and Montreal.

According to a 2006 census, there are some 800,000 Muslims living in Canada.

The Muslim Canadian Congress, which has some 300 members, describes itself as ‘providing a voice to Muslims who are not represented by existing organizations … that are either sectarian or ethnocentric, largely authoritarian, and influenced by a fear of modernity and an aversion to joy.’ — AFP

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" Now that is a change especially considering it is coming from a muslim organization "

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LOL, MCC is a joke of an organization. It's bunch of frustrated hippies who interpret their own Islam, who got together one day and formed this so-called Muslim organization. Nobody listens to these hippies.

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I love how people think it's fair game to 'further the limits of liberation and human dignity' by infringing on what may well be the choices of others.
I'm passionately and unequivocally against women being forced *to observe burqah, but those same principles leave me irritated when willing women are forced not *to... what ever happened to live and let live?

I'm sure these people have the best of intentions insh'Allah, but what's ultimately going to come out of this is an easy means for leaders worldwide to slap bans on whatever variety of hijaab they happen to dislike with much-reduced fear of political incorrectness.

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^ I agree and disagree.

Disagree because this kind of measures are sought by muslim groups to overcompensate or distance themselves from the what is perceived as the tyrannical and discriminatory Islam. You should and every normal muslim should vociferously be condemning every jihadi outfit and instead of the muted murmer that comes out whenever a bomb goes off. The extremists have been and are very loud in their message. Grudging objection is insufficient.

Except the West, how many islamic countries have condemned attacks of innocent people of Kashmir by terrorists from across the border? Is there any wonder that peopel want to distance themselves from that?

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But they listen to extremist Muslims who endorsed the murder of Aqsa Parvez?

let's just end this once and for all
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Good.

Best intention is questionable here and not a surety.

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Regardless it is a violation of the Universal Declaraction of Human Rights. Any dip**** can declare anything. However legal commitments are seperate issue all together.

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Since when do ‘conservative’ Muslims such as yourself believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights all of a sudden? :rolleyes:

Worry more about your own precious Muslim countries first before commenting about how non-Muslim countries are. No one in the West wants to make their cities look like the splitting image of Saudi Arabia.

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More than you kafirs do my dear boy. Atleast we have the moral backbone to condemn it in Muslim countries and non-muslim countries.

You and your racist compatriots only do so in Muslim countries.

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You know the implications of calling another Muslim a ‘kafir’, right?

What moral backbone? When have Muslims spoke out on the plight of Iraqi Christians at the hands of the Iraqi “mujahideen”? Oh wait, none exist because Pakistani Islamists would rather see the Christians in Iraq wiped out, yet cry about how they are allegedly persecuted. :rolleyes:

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Wait you are a Muslim? Ah you are the ones the Quran warns us about. Thanks for reinforcing my faith once again.

Hey we do. Do a search. You have yet to condemn anything that is seen as anti-islamic odd considering you are a “muslim” :hehe:

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:k: The OIC has its own declaration and the key difference between it and the UNDHR–which the rest of the world adheres to without a separate declaration of their own–is that women are not equal to men under the OIC declaration. As we know, the OIC was created by Islamist Saudi Arabia to serve its propaganda needs.

Show me one article from an Islamist magazine or newspaper in which Islamist persecution of non-Muslims is denounced. I’ll make it easy for you: you can use any Islamist newspaper or magazine in the world.

I have never heard a single Muslim denounce the persecution of minorities if the persecutor is a Muslim. Surely many Muslims, perhaps even a majority, oppose such things but they are passive. The loud voices–the Islamist voices–are silent on persecution. Can you please detail the marches Jamaat Islami has done to oppose persecution of minorities in Pakistan (which is primarily the result of several governments trying to appease them)?

Regarding the OP, too much time is spent on hijab and burqas. Sure, they are symbols of the subjugation of women, which is why Islamists obsess so much over enforcing them despite their being minor things in the grand scheme of things (also note that Islamists never call for men to cover their heads or were niqabs). Still, it is just that, a symbol. Why spend so much time attacking a symbol? The key is the attack the underlying ideology: Islamism.

Women should have a right to wear miniskirts if they wish or burqas if they wish, with some exceptions for public safety purposes (i.e. you should have to reveal your face in driver’s license photos).

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OIC declaration is not legally binding. Sheesh. You are one ignorant american aren't ya?

Not an Islamist so don't need to show you anything. My responsibility ends with my own actions and words.

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Really so sad to read your comment
What do you mean by extremist muslims endorsing the murder???
can u give me figures please how many extremist muslims there are in this world?
how many percentage of Muslim world is extremist and how many extremist muslims
you know in your personal life who told you they endorsed the murder?

anything you say should make sense yaar
your comment really (sorry to say) but really does not make any sense.

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According to the latest news, the highest Islamic university Al Azhar has also banned Burqa on its campus.

From my personal observation, in the west ladies with Burqas draw more attention - the very thing they want to avoid with the help of Burqa - than those who lets say just wear a Hijab.

So the purpose of wearing Burqa is killed.

Just my two cents.

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Of course it isn't. Neither is the UNDHR. The very fact an OIC declaration exists--and the chief difference between it and the UNDHR is opposition to equal rights to women--is very revealing. Why no Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucian, Taoist, or Jewish declaration of human rights?

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What do you mean by extremist muslims endorsing the murder???
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This happens all the time whenever a so-called "honor killing" is done.

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can u give me figures please how many extremist muslims there are in this world?
how many percentage of Muslim world is extremist
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It is hard to say. How do you define extremist? The percentage of jihadists is low but the percentage of Islamists is a significant minority, as can be seen on this message board. The difference between jihadists and Islamists is basically only in the means they use. Their goals are the same.

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Its nice to live in a society where you do not like something but you tolerate it
Thats what i have learnt living in the West most of my life
I know that there is not a single Islamic coutry where everything is ideal and where they respect human rights but i fail to understand why some guppies are so ignorant
whilst they live in the West they boast about the Western values and democracy yet they
still are pro banning something.

The whole purpose of democracy is to protect the ritgts of minority. You or I may not agree with Burqa but if they want ot wear it then let them bloody wear it.

Regarding the sercurity reason well if the police feels the need to stop someone on the street bc they suspect her/him then they should do it no harm in that. Of course females in burqa may not like it but for security i think its only reasonable that one should show her face.

Its so strange that our people who have spent few years in the West they become holier then the Pope and go totally against the democratic values of the country they live in.

Many people say that women are forced to wear the burqa well i agree many of them are forced i am sure this happens but not ALL of them are forces. If i can mention my own situation. I have a cousin living in Chicago who has since last 9 years started wearing Burqa
I have long discussion with her because i do not think its necessary to wear burqa, specially in the West and Majority of the Islamic scholars agree that burqa is not Fard.

But guys its free will we should never force someone. Just think for a while please. Those women who are wearing burqa (wether teir family told them or their husband forced them) they will not go out of house they will be housebound, is that what you want? I mean u really think that they will come out then without burqa?

Its tough to go out in burqa bc everybody looks at you and you get nasty comments on street but they still do not take it off. Do u really think they will go out without burqa? Some of them do it for family, husband but many many of them do it because they believe its part of religion and do it for God. They will not liste to you or me never. Thats not women empowernment or liberating women thats bloody jailing them and putting them behind 4 walls if you ban the burqa.

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You haven't read the two documents have you? Obvious from your posts.

Secondly since the OIC declaration is not legally binding you claim that Muslim countries adhere to a different set of rules is factually incorrect.

Thanks again for proving yourself wrong.

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:rotfl: if you think the UNDHR is “binding”.

Answer this: why is their a separate Islamic declaration? There is no separate Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Confucian, etc. declaration.

How can you adhere to the UNDHR when you issue a second declaration which violates a fundamental principle (gender equality) of the UNDHR?

This is some of what CM thinks is “binding”:

This is “binding”? Tell Saudi Arabia and several other countries that!

Shariah does not grant women or “kafirs” equality before the law.

More at Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

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My dear friend who loves to talk about Islamist and always tries to prove me wrong that you are not against Islam :slight_smile:

Did you know that in every comment/post of yours you prove yourself very very wrong??!!! :slight_smile:

Majjority of the Muslims am not talking about Wahabi’s but majority of the Muslims if not all belive in Shariah and if you are against the Shariah then basicly you have some rancour against Islam. Because nothing, really nothing positive have you every said about Islam i may have missed it but you are only venting your anger its like something is really bothering you mate.