Can you rank the castes from highest to lowest

[SummerFruits]

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PeshawarKameez just seems to be curious about the rankings of the castes. No where is it stated that he/she thinks of one as higher than the other. Have you not also been curious to know how castes are ranked just so you can know where yours falls, from a purely curious p.o.v and not discriminatory. I know I have.

Also, is Punjabi a caste? Im pretty sure it aint.

[Dragon90]

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I don’t think we should people on there caste, just there character and personality.

That being said I am interested in where my so called ‘caste’ ranks in Pakistan, I’m Gujjar.

[PeshawarKameez]

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@SummerFruits

Also, is Punjabi a caste? Im pretty sure it aint.

not sure either, is it a tribe?

[redvelvet]

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I don’t know if I’m right but I’ve always defined " Punjabi" as an ethnic group than a tribe or caste. And then within an ethnic group there can be subdivisions of caste etc.

[StrangeOne]

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@PeshawarKameez

Ok which is CONSIDERED higher than the other?

as if pakistanis don’t know.

I understand you’re trying to put down Pakistanis by your faux questions but caste is different from tribal and family affiliations. If you rate the families in your neighbourhood according to their surnames that’s your business.

[SummerFruits]

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@redvelvet

I don’t know if I’m right but I’ve always defined " Punjabi" as an ethnic group than a tribe or caste. And then within an ethnic group there can be subdivisions of caste etc.

Exactly. I thought being ‘punjabi’ is an ethnic group and within this group you get a variety of castes such as Arians and Gujjars?

[VintageSpring]

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There is no rank, there is no high caste nor is there any low caste. Human is a human, a person is a person. Why do we need to attach a ‘label’ on someone and look down upon them due to the stigma or respect attached to that label.

Btw, not trying to say OP is being discriminatory, just merely curious.

[OYMWA]

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@S_Punk

The castes are Butt, Rajput, Jatt, Arain, Choudhry, Sheikh… there’s prob more but i can’t think of any. One thing they all have in common: they don’t mean sh*t.

I think they exist so that Punjabis can do “juggat” when they gather. There’s loads of jokes abt each one. Butt rajde nai, thak jande ne (cos they eat a lot). Also apparantly, they’re meant to be extremely good-looking but dumb as rocks. Rajput are meant to be cowards… idk… there’s loads. They’re senseless.

So you are saying castes are there for the jokes?

[OYMWA]

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@PeshawarKameez

Trying to understand which is higher than which. From what I know there is: Punjab, Kashmiri, Rajput, Pathan, Arain, not sure if Jat, chowdary and sheikh are also considered castes or not

How about this instead… tell me your caste and I will give you your rank.

[SID_NY]

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@redvelvet

Let’s cut the OP some slack because there is nothing in his original post that suggests that he practices the caste system. It’s not like he said that he will only marry or befriend those within his caste. With such little info, we can’t assume that he endorses the system. He could be asking just out of curiosity. It’s common knowledge among non-Desis that Brahmins are at the top of the Indian caste hierarchy. It’s like a general knowledge that was gained through curiosity or learned/taught etc etc.

Please go ahead and answer the OP which I see you havent yet. And no its not about Indian caste so please shed your expert opinion about which castes are superior and which are inferior as per the ranking system.

Most of us, I believe, dont believe on caste system so yea definitely unable to help OP here

[partyslims]

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LMAO 2015 and discussing ranks in caste as in which group is superior over another. Bravo!!!

[PeshawarKameez]

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@partyslims

LMAO 2015 and discussing ranks in caste as in which group is superior over another. Bravo!!!

lol so many people with their heads in the sand… yes I am the ONLY pakistani on the planet who pays attention to caste system(!) no one else ever mentions it right. oh and yes racism is also well and truly dead(!)

you guys will be in for a big shock one day.

[OYMWA]

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@Dragon90

I don’t think we should people on there caste, just there character and personality.

That being said I am interested in where my so called ‘caste’ ranks in Pakistan, I’m Gujjar.

You are tied for the 2nd place.

[Southie]

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@partyslims

LMAO 2015 and discussing ranks in caste as in which group is superior over another. Bravo!!!

Don’t we do that anyway? Shia vs Sunni. Ahmadis - are they muslims or not? Gays - are they sinners? Shoukd they be condemned to death

While we are at it, don’t we rank based on whether someone is religious, atheist or agnostic?
And a subset of religion - don’t we rank religions here? There is one perfect religion and one perfect book.

So not clear why only caste discussions.are not pertinent to 21st century. Could it be because the rest of the backward topics are allowed per the perfect religion?

[muqawwee123]

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@PeshawarKameez

Trying to understand which is higher than which. From what I know there is: Punjab, Kashmiri, Rajput, Pathan, Arain, not sure if Jat, chowdary and sheikh are also considered castes or not

O mere bhai… Its very simple.. tera kutta kutta hai aur mera kutta tommy.

meri zaat uchi, mera dharam sacha.. baqi sab her pher hai.

Kashmiri won’t agree to superiority of Punjabi, Punjabi won’t of Pathan.

[Monk]

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@PeshawarKameez

Ok which is CONSIDERED higher than the other?

as if pakistanis don’t know.

Fair enough.
People in pakistan know about their caste/clan.
They all the think they are better then every one else, which is natural and cute.
Some think other are not as good as they are, not so cute, but natural.

NOW
the real problem is if some one is convinced they, THEM SELVES are not as good as others.
That is serious segregation which goes in generations.

That you need to look for and worry about. Other wise stop wasting time dude.

[OYMWA]

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@Southie

Don’t we do that anyway? Shia vs Sunni. Ahmadis - are they muslims or not? Gays - are they sinners? Shoukd they be condemned to death

While we are at it, don’t we rank based on whether someone is religious, atheist or agnostic?
And a subset of religion - don’t we rank religions here? There is one perfect religion and one perfect book.

So not clear why only caste discussions.are not pertinent to 21st century. Could it be because the rest of the backward topics are allowed per the perfect religion?

You forgot liberal vs. conservative, left vs. right. A liberal that looks at each issue as either black or white is same as an extremist that looks at the world and says, ‘with me or against me’. All extremists are of the same ilk. Heck they use the same language. You just need to change the nouns to recycle the hate. Fortunately for most of us, the world is not black and white, but several shades of gray.

[Jolie]

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@PeshawarKameez

lol so many people with their heads in the sand… yes I am the ONLY pakistani on the planet who pays attention to caste system(!) no one else ever mentions it right. oh and yes racism is also well and truly dead(!)

you guys will be in for a big shock one day.

Just to let you out of you and others’ out of their misery:

The land Punjab is considered one of the most fertile regions on earth, and that consequently explains without much effort that Punjab has traditionally been an agrarian society. Land was and it still considered the real source of wealth and prestige in Punjabi society. Hence just like any other agrarian society, social hierarchy in Punjab is based on landownership. In short, the so called caste system you are talking about is pretty much a centuries old class system. The groups/clans who usually owned land were considered superior and they were the ultimate governing class enjoying a good lifestyle. The groups that traditionally worked as peasants on those lands were considered subservient to those land owning classes, and leading a rough life. The traditional land owning clan/groups in Punjab are: Rajputs, Awaan, Jatts, Gondals, Virks, Gujjars etc.

This is a very simplified explanation. Please do not take my words literally or use this information to discriminate or form unfavourable or simply incorrect assumptions about any particular group. The only reason I’ve made this post is because I believe that it is always useful to know why things are they way as well as knowing what is right and what is wrong. Due to urbanisation and creation of a professional class, such agrarian socio-economic organisation does not hold much importance, unless ancestral wealth and landownership matters to you. Otherwise, how someone’s ancestors or grandparents lived shouldn’t really matter when planning your future with that someone.

[Jolie]

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The reason why in 2015 the so called caste system is still being discussed or it seemingly matters is due to economic implications, at least in Pakistan. If you are a typical landowning Rajput or Awan, it basically means extra source of yearly income due to ground rent or simple business from the selling of crops without lifting a finger. Believe it or not, even in 2015, there are awful lot of peeps in urban Punjab who are making decent money and enjoying a respectable lifestyle - despite never holding a proper day’s job - through yearly income generated through their ancestral land in some far away village.

[redvelvet]

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@SID_NY

Please go ahead and answer the OP which I see you havent yet. And no its not about Indian caste so please shed your expert opinion about which castes are superior and which are inferior as per the ranking system.

Most of us, I believe, dont believe on caste system so yea definitely unable to help OP here

One day a friend and I were playfully sparring about whose caste was better. We both, however said that neither of our families practice it. Evidence to support that would be that my sister married a guy who was neither from the same ethnic group nor caste as us. That playful duel made me curious about what kinds of general societal stereotypes and perceptions exist about the various castes…so I did a search on Google…and there was very little to be found. Would my curiosity warrant a chiding lecture from you and the others? I don 't believe that it would.

Jab aik banday ne…ab aa kar…apnay moonh se clarify kar dia hai as to what his intentions were for creating this thread…then as Muslims we should give him the benefit of the doubt rather than persisting to be suspicious of his motives even after he has clarified them.

If you wanna bring religion into it…then by all means do that. It’s a no-brainer that Islam doesn’t condone a caste system. However, there are far more basic admonitions in Islam that even the most “open-minded” of us tend to forget…such as avoiding suspicion of your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and if you have doubts about their motives… it’s better to ask them for a clarification first rather than to assume things about them. It’s strange how we end up taking two step backwards in our mentality when we imagine ourselves to be four steps forward.

OP was never asked for a clarification. And its kinda cruel to continue doubting him even after he tried to clear the air… That’s like closing ur mind to a person and grabbing them by the throat. And that’s prolly the kind of of mentality that fuels groups like Isis.