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I don't know how a Westerner would react to that.
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According to the West, you can even marry the divorce of your blood son.
In US there is no law that prohibits it. Come to Alabama and I will show you some who actually did something similar.
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In general yes.
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Personally, I find the whole rakhi business very odd! Now can I use --> :-O
Raja Dahir the brahmin ruler of Sindh married his sister, I suggest you marry your sister too, just to keep up with the tradition.
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*Great. So would you recommend anybody go for such an adoption, knowing that his wife won't be regarded as daughter-in-law by his 'Adopting' father and that if he divorces her or pops off himself, his wife will be kinda OK for relations within the family?
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Yes it is allowed for a man to marry his adopted son's divorced wife.
It is also allowed for a man or a woman to marry their first cousins.
It is also allowed for a man to marry his dead brother's wife or his brother's divoced wife and same goes for a women.
Any more inquiries?
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Ahmedjee is right. In Islam, you are not allowed to adopt a child in the literal sense. Adoption is used in English commentary as it is the word that best describes the situation permitted by Islam.
What you are allowed and encouraged to do is look after and provide for orphans, but in no legal sense is this an adoption.
Children looked after in this way are not legally, socially and morally you children. You are in no way permitted to allow the child to think you are his/her father, nor are you allowed to attach your name or surname to the child.
The Islamic perspective is more like this. A child's parents die when he is a baby. Another man welcomes the child into his house, and raises him, with the child being aware that the man is nothing more than a custodian. At some point, the child marries a woman, later to divorce her. The custodian can then marry her, as the wife was never one of the custodian's in-laws.
Andhra:
While your father-in-law talks to you, and in his conversation he uses word “beta” (son) for you, would you give up / divorce your wife? Just curious to know. Beleive me when you answer this, you will be stupid in your own eyes
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May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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Chamgeez_Like, Me and my father-in-law are not Prophets, so we can pretty much do as we please!!.
By the way I keep hearing a different version on the Internet.
Is it true that Mohammed declared this man to be his son before the public in Mecca or something? When his parents came to buy his freedom from Mohammed?
After he married, he visited his home once, saw his wife ?
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Chamgeez_Like, Me and my father-in-law are not Prophets, so we can pretty much do as we please!!......
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Andha: yes, Mohammed PBUH married the ex-wife of his 'adopted' son. The difference in 'adopted' and 'real' son should be clear. No matter how care you give to a not-genetic/non-blood son, he will NOT be your REAL son. I won't try to explain any further, because several of other honorable members have done good job in explaining, but some people still wanna be ignorant.... their choice.
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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*Chamgeez_Like, Me and my father-in-law are not Prophets, so we can pretty much do as we please!!.
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Ahem... the prophets came here to tell us what to do and how to do it.. so if you follow them.. you cannot do what they did not do.. or did not permit..
so it doesn't matter if you are an average joe..
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how would that be especially since you already know that the prophet knew who she was before hand.. and was the one who recommended she marry his "adopted" son. adopted in the sense like we have "ward of the state" so we have "ward of the person".
he could have married her to start with.. if he liked her as you are insinuating.
as explained by Ahmedjee... the lady gave great sacrifice to marry a person who she has almost nothing in common with. and after they divorced on unreconcilable differences
1. the prophet married her out of respect of her sacrifice.
2. to show to the world that "adopted son"/"ward of a person" is not a real son and the rules of the family do not apply.
do as i do.. not do as i say.. being the motto.
The prophet (Saw) did not ask the muslims to do anything which he did not do himself.
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By the way Akif I am trying to keep this discussion as civilized as possible so try to match me.
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Dont give me that koora.
You make it seem as if early morning everyday, you pick up the Quran, the Bible, the Geeta and the Torah, and go through them vigorously. And every morning, your brain cell gets stuck at something in the Quran, or in Islam. Your motives are pretty clear from your baseless questions.
**So would you recommend anybody go for such an adoption, knowing that his wife won't be regarded as daughter-in-law by his 'Adopting' father and that if he divorces her or pops off himself, his wife will be kinda OK for relations within the family?
More importantly would you accept such practices as RELIGION ?**
It depends on circumstances. It is not a practice in islam. It is something that is rendered legal, but not rendered as something to be done between every man and his adopted sons' wife. A religious practice is not the same as a religious allowance.
A divorce is also allowed in Islam, but doesnt mean every husband has to divorce their wife. It is done under specific circumstances, when all else fails.
Quit being so petty Andhra. The more you do it, the more foolish you seem. There is nothing civilized about your intentions while starting all these krappy threads, so dont expect 'civilized' answers.
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Akif!!!
I was rolling in the chair while sensing the anger in your replies!!
Bahut Naaraaz Aya Hoga Apko!!
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You are right in that I am not very Religious. I am not an atheist either.
I am just asking these questions because, like I told elsewhere…
A).I do like to know.
B). It amuses me to see Hinduism somehow getting dragged in!!!
C).It amuses me to see the sommersaults taken defending the indefensible.
Read this thread again and see
1.You guys are now saying there is no such thing as adoption in Islam, so it is quite all right for Mohammed to marry his his ex Daughter-in-Law.
Did you guys know that the whole process of Islam not recognizing Adoption allegedly arose from this very marriage?
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I mean if you are to believe certain Women’s Lib Web Sites!!
2.Even people like Ahmedjee are trying to drag Hinduism into this debate. Like Raakhi Festivals!!.
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3.Even more hilarious members are getting personally offensive. Like ‘If YOur Father-In-Law’, ‘If You’ Yada, Yada.
SO Akif bhai, read the whole thread again in a neutral gear and decide who is looking silly and pathetic!!
for the last time andhra, stop usig the word Daughther-in-Law for the above context....
Zainab was the wife of the adopted son of Muhammad (pbuh) NOT his daugher-in-law....
cant u even understand that????
and forgetting all what has been going on in the thread, lets start over again....
the answer to your question is "Yes"....
and if u have a problem with that, then sorry we cant help it....
we cant change the Word of God because some andhra isnt happy with it....
The reason people bring hinduism in is because you bring Islam in.
If your motive was to plainly learn more about Islam, you would get honest and plain answers. But you know very well what your motives are, and hence, the replies that you get are appropriately worded.
Regarding neutrality, once again, the very topics of all your posts drip with prejudice, so how do you possibly expect any neutrality in a thread that starts on the wrong foot?
Andhra bhai, grow up
If your motive was to plainly learn more about Islam, you would get honest and plain answers<<
What does it matter, what my motives are?
Truth doesn’t change you know!!!
Suppose you belong to a Religion that says kill and eat your mother-in-law on the day of your marriage.
If somebody asks me questions about your REligion then, his motives for doing so are less relevant than than the topic of discussion, namely IS It OK to eat your mother-in-law on the day of your marriage!!
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armughal I note your point. I won’t use the word ‘Daughter-In-Law’ for Zainaab.
But what should I call her?
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Let’s say ‘Ex Wife Of Adopted Son’ who will be called Daughter-In-Law in Most Cultures’
Don’t you think the description is too long?
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Anyway you are right. If Muslims have no propblem with the marriage, I have no problem either.
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yeaha, filthy cows