Can You Marry Your Adopted SOn's Wife in Islam?

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Anhrah,

You are talking about Hazrat Zainab (ra) and her marriage to AnHazoor (saw). Let me give you a little history lesson.

Hazrat Zainab (ra) was from a rich family well known among of the Arabs for their status and wealth. When she and her brother asked AnHazoor (saw) for advice in the matter of her marriage, the Holy Prophet (saw) advised to marry Hazrat Zaid (ra) who was the Holy Prophet's called/adopted son! Both Hazrat Zainab (ra) and her brother did not like the idea because Hazrat Zaid (ra) was a free slave and had no other worldly status. AnHazoor (saw) asked them to fear God and not consider worldly status the only reason for rejecting a proposal.

So Hazrat Zainab (ra) with her own will agreed to marry Hazrat Ziad (ra) and most part of it was her obedience to the Holy Prophet (saw). According to some traditions the Holy Prophet (saw) gave her dowry as a show of affection towards Hazrat Zaid (as) and as his blessing for the couple in general.

Later things didn't work out between the two. There are clear historical proof that Hazrat Zaid (ra) came to the Holy prophet (saw) unhappy about his marriage and wanting a divorce. AnHazoor (saw) argued against it and told him repeatedly to try to work out the marriage. Though when things get worse, Hazrat Zaid (ra) divorced Hazrat Zainab (ra).

After that, due to Hazrat Zainab's (ra) sacrifice of her wishes, along with her Worldy status, just to obey the Holy Prophet (saw) in marrying Hazrat Zaid (as) and the hurt she went through as the marriage didn't work out, he married her himself. And gave her the highest respectable status of 'Omoul-Momeneen"-the Mother of the righteous!! And to that marriage too, she agreed and accepted at her own will!

p.s: Stop reading the hate sites, they make a dog out of a good Brahmin.

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Originally posted by Andhra:
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Marrying the divorced wife of your adopted son is a questionable thing to do whatver be the religion and time period in Human History and whichever society.
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Andhra, if marrying an ex-wife of your adopted son is a decisive point for you among religions, then i must say...you better go ahead and marry that woman.

As far as the answer to your original question is concerned, i think it was very much clear in the first 2-3 replies...and you are just trying to hold some useless debate.

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Originally posted by Andhra:
*No I have not.
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Everyone here has tried to tell you the same thing: an adopted son is not the same as a biological son. You still repeat the same question. You are looking for a specific answer. Why don't you come out with what is really on your mind.

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Originally posted by Andhra:
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I ask questions because

1.I want to know the answers.
2.It amuses me to people doing all kinds of somersaults trying to defend the indefensible and trying to drag Hinduism into discussing Islam at some point.
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No, you don't want to know the answers. All you want to do is think of something ridiculous and insulting, and provoke people. You well know that if people started asking questions about Hinduism, you cannot defend it. The only excuse you have is that in Hinduism there are no rules.

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Originally posted by Andhra:
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Since you asked that question, go through all my threads and see how many straight answers to the point I get!!
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Do you deserve straight answers?

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very well said ahmadjee

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Akif I hope you will be granted a higher form of life in your next reincarnation. In this one, you seem to be a parrot repeating whatever your Mullahs told you!!

An adopted son is not your flesh and blood.<<

By Gad!! When did you figure that out Akif?

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Ofcourse an adopted son is not your flesh and blood. THat’s why he is called ‘Adopted’, unless Arab Tribal customs are different!!

since hes not biologically related to you, his wife will not be your daughter in law. <<

Great. So would you recommend anybody go for such an adoption, knowing that his wife won’t be regarded as daughter-in-law by his ‘Adopting’ father and that if he divorces her or pops off himself, his wife will be kinda OK for relations within the family?

More importantly would you accept such practices as RELIGION ?

By the way Akif I am trying to keep this discussion as civilized as possible so try to match me.

Ahmadjee, I see you are trying to give a ‘Modern’ twist to this.
Let me accept your statements as Truth and proceed.

If you leave all the ‘Hazrat’ s out

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here’s what the story boils down to!!

1.Zainab married Zaid, mainly because she and her family have a lot of respect for the Prophet.

2.The marriage didn’t work out. THe Prophet told them to make it work but still it didn’t work out.

3.They divorced.

4.Then the Prophet married her himself!!!

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Doesn’t the whole story strike you as a little bit odd?

Basically the Prophet married a woman he himself selected for his adopted son!!

P.S. You should know by now that I don’t go to anti-Islamic web sites to back up anything I say in this section.
I rely on the Koran by NJ Dawood, published by Penguin.
It is good enough for my purposes

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P.P.S. You may accept the whole story a a Pious one out of Piety but please don’t drop phrases like ‘Mother Of Righteousness’!!!

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Andhra,

That’s why I asked you before, if I give you the reasoning would you believe or not, but sorry to say that you wasted my time.

I think, even if Krishna reincarnates and testifies to the truthfulness of Muhammad, you would still not believe!

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Ahmadjee,
Assalam Alaikum

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I expected better from you honestly.
If you read my post again, I am just saying the whole story is a little bit odd, that’s all.
Also I never said, Mohammed your Prophet has any ultrerior motives in this whole story.
See, I am taking your statements as Truth.!!!

Still, if you put Religious SPectacles aside and think about it in normal terms, you gotta admit, the whole thing is odd and the situation was better avoided.

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The difference between a son and an adopted son is the same as that between you and intelligent life.

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Next time, just put a whining icon on the top. That serves as a universal topic for all your threads
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Man, I think I'll write this one down in my great-burns diary as well.

Hmmm, Andhra I think you have been humiliated, please make your way towards the exit. NO pushing, please!

PS: Where is Indian_Muslim? I think he would be able to satisfy Andhra's exhaustive search for the truth and nothing but the X-Files truth!

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Andhra,

The reason why the situation looks odd to you is your cultural barrier, nothing more.

I call you Andhra Bhai, and take care of you like my real brother. Then later I propose for your sister. Would you say we couldn’t get married as me calling you my brother made your sister my blood sister?

Last but not least, go read the story of Ram and Sita to an American Redneck and see if he feels odd or not?! And don't ask him about what he really thinks Sita was thinking ... you might get disappointed at the answer.

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sambrialian bhai,
I note that your idea of a debate is to cut and paste SELECTIVELY.
Please read my reply to Akif.
As for your Indian_Muslim, HIS idea of a debate is to warn me about Judgement DAy!!

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So please stick to the topic like Ahmedjee and I are trying to do.
If you can’t debate don’t post.
You are welcome to make my image and stick pins in it. I will grant you that!! I understand intelluctual frustration!!

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*...hindus. You .. are worshipping nothing but mere stones- *
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** They worship a lot more than that !!! **

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I call you Andhra Bhai, and take care of you like my real brother. Then later I propose for your sister. Would you say we couldn’t get married as me calling you my brother made your sister my blood sister?
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Well. Depends on wheather your father ADOPTED me doesn’t it?

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Otherwise it is fine.

I am confused about the Rama and SIta part. There was a competetion for Sita’s hand and Rama won it and won SIta. Why should an American Red Neck find it odd?
It is more credible than virgin mothers for starters!!!

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Well actually I have locked my intellectual horns with you as well, if you remember. But frankly since you just plan on reiterating your stand, I do not see the point of having any real discussions with you!

Plus, does it not seem odd to you that a person whose posts are DOMINATED by stupid smilies questions other people's intellect?

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As credible as creating a son out of the dirt on ones body?

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As credible as creating a son out of the dirt on ones body?<<

Actually less credible. Remeber it was Goddess who did that!!

Sambrialian, what have smilies and winkies got to do with intellect.

Like I said, debate if you can.
If you follow this thread, I was not ‘Reiterating My Stand’. Infact I took Ahmedjee’s statements about Prophet’s marriage as Truth and tried to debate from there.

If the Truth hurts, I can’t help it.
But don’t blame it on..

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So, can muslims marry adopted daughters? or Adopted Mothers?

After all they are only adopted!

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Andhra,

Though I doubt you will ever agree but let me give it one more shot.

You are perceiving 'adopted' as the adoption of the modern day. Among Arab it was more so of a norm of 'considering' someone brother/sister/mother/father/son/daughter not actually adopting someone. That's why I gave the urdu/hindi connotation 'moun bolay'.

Secondly, as you said you wouldn't have a problem with me marrying your sister even though I call you brother; but if you go ask an Anthropology teacher at your university, you will find out that many cultures of this world even today consider it a taboo! For them, you don't call someone brother, but if you do he is your blood with all the lawful implications. That's something Islam abolished.

Lastly, as you :-O for >>virgin mothers for starters<< the Redneck would do 3 times the :-O when you tell him that a god was competing over a woman! As according to his culture, God is not a low life seeking women.

Just to keep things in context. I have a question for you! If you tie a girls (not your blood sister) a 'rakhi' does that mean you can never ever marry her?

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If you tie a girls (not your blood sister) a ‘rakhi’ does that mean you can never ever marry her?<<

In general yes. Since you seem to compare ordinary jow blows like us with Prophets, let me say this.

You pointed out one of the internal politics of Raakhi festivals.

If you watch who is NOT tying Raakhi to who, you will know things!!

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Anyway Raakhi is not adoption.

NOw, you seem to say that ‘Adoption’ is different in the Arab context.

All I can say is, as a sub-continental the whole idea of marrying an adopted son’s wife seems very odd to me, even with the consent of the woman involved.
I don’t know how a Westerner would react to that.

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All I can say is, as a sub-continental the whole idea of marrying an adopted son's wife seems very odd to me,
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The word adopted is used in English translations for the lack of a better word! If it was the adoption of the 'English meaning' then Hazrat Zaid (as) would have gotten all the rights that a blood son gets. There is no mention of such in history.

Shias Muslims who consider the progeny of AnHazoor (saw) sacred, don't give Hazrat Zaid (as) any big importance.

As I mentioned the different cultures view things differently ...

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Ahmad jee...so, in your intrepretation of the word adopted, can a Muslim marry an "Adopted" daughter?