Can we define God by the way of science?

Except religious books?

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No. To add, religious books define God. But they have zero to do with science. It is faith which people confuse with science.

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Neither can finite define what cannot be proven but is simply each individual's faith and belief system. Some documented in books that are centuries old. And some passed down across generation by word of mouth.

The variations across religions are so vast that if one of them is the ultimate truth, the rest have to be false. The variations within any specific religion is so vast that it is Impossible to reconcile these differences.

Faith is an end. And religions are means to that end. Mixing religion with science is not prudent. Neither is mixing religion with governance.

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Wholeheartedly agree that religion should not be mixed with science.

There are several who have a different opinion. Hence this discussion is far from futile. The relevance of "another" is not entirely clear.

Religion offers one theory of how universe might have been started, science offered another. None of them have been proven yet, in fact no way of proving either. So it's faith, no matter which group you belong to.

Big bang theory only speculates about the first 10 to the power -43 second of the creation. No one knows exactly how it all started and what was happening during that time.

More on this later.

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is statistics a science ?
is probability a science ?

Then yes.

Even I would disagree with you on this definition, unless you wanted to use the word possible, instead of probable.

Possible means likelihood, while probable means verifiable.

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boss…
ok
1-he said this(some what right—chances 50% of being right–50% wrong )–like a coin flip head or tail
2-he said that(some what right—chances 50% of being right–50% wrong )–like a coin flip head or tail
3-he again said (some what right—chances 50% of being right–50% wrong )–like a coin flip head or tail

Boss think about it… how many time you can flip a coin and have in your favour 1/2 2/2 10/10
100/100

Now dont make read probability, but having chance of being right or wrong 50/50 and being right every time,
have chances of one in many millions.

But then again, such huge probability thing is still only one of the signs.

here

10 flips 5 heads

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10 flips 10 heads

almost zeo chance!!

100 flips 100 heads(50% chances of being right)

NOW… we are talking about only 2 possible out comes..
add like 100s possible scenarios for each statements … and being not wrong every time..

dude if this is not right I dont know wha is :chai:


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Re: Can we define God by the way of science?

My posts 3 and 4 was in response to two posts that have disappeared. Hence they seem a bit disjointed. I would say it is Monk's fault.

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app hawa meen bateen ker rahy thy

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I think it was God. Gone beyond possible to highly probable.

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I always believed God was energy. Can not be created, cannot be destroyed. And as I was typing my laptop got stuck so I will keep the theories I came up with while watching a documentary about string theory in school all to myself. :smokin:

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Not fair. You got to share.

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These Islamic descriptions of God are already scientific.

"nothing is like Him" - "Wa La Shaya Mithluhu"
"nothing debilitates Him" - Wa La Shaya Yu'jizuhu"
"Imaginations cannot perceive Him, Comprehensions cannot acquire Him" - "La Tablughuhul Awhaamu, Wa La tudrikuhul Afhaamu"

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^ Absolutely. Without a doubt. If only these scientific definitions were presented earlier. So many debates could have been avoided.

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I could understand the post up to this point.

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In that case you did good. I am struggling with the first line.

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If there is a God, he would be beyond our very limited perceptions and senses. No point defining something beyond our comprehension.

There's a reason why it is called 'faith'. If you could define HIM, it would be called 'fact', not faith.

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kaka you asked for it.

ok see when we see a statement in quran, which we think beyond its time in its accuracy. Like some one from to day went back and wrote it.
See how language or quran is not, how human struggle to measure and name phenomena.

so we have believer saying look look this is true…
non beliver say, no its not precise. Essentially they are not denying statements in quran. What they are saying is its only odds that the statement is right.
Fair enough!!

So assume, statement like “if you go in deep in ocean , extend you hand you wont be able to see it”(in my words)
Non believer says, its just odd.
50/50
sea could be dark
sea could not be dark

chances of this statement being right was, with out any one actually knowing it, 50/50 like flipping a coin.

Thats where probability comes in.

1/1 right 50% chance or .2000 some thing probability.
10/10 statements being right, on the base of every statement could have only 2 options

100/100 statement right, on the base of, they could either this or that, just like coin flip chances are

I am sure you know the 10 power -31 means.

now the fun part comes.

What about the statements where there could be a 100 scenarios?? yet quran get it right??
like when quran say… milk come from animals between her blood and intestine …

so if you plug that into probability, I have NO freaking idea, what would still blind you from see the truth.

(is it better ?)
if not, I have to go sleep.


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May I pose you one question?

Would not it be that the scientists could not properly explain the definition of God or what is God ,so they came up with a theory like Big Bang and and tried to dodge their in-efficiency in resolving the mystery surrounding the creator/creation of this universe?