Like Bahai’ism is.
Can we consider Sufism a non organised, informal spiritual path above any religion though inspired by Islam and other religions to a great degree, a bit like Sikhism and Bahai’ism, yet separate and not a movement or sect within Islam?
What do you guys think?
Maybe we need to differentiate between Sufism and the established spritual Tareeqahs of Islam?
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There is no such thing Sufism in the world. This term is invented by the so called righteous shoyookh and followers of aslaaf funded by products of jewish mothers and pirate fathers living in grand palaces of Arabia.
The difference should be acknoledged between haraam practices by ignorant poor people at the shrines and those sufis who lived their lives to spread the word of Allah to the remotest areas of the world.
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Define established tareeqs Deobandi and Salafis are quite recent groups in Islam ..Sufism and it's various variations naqshabandi etc have a longer history..
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Sufism is not outside of Islam, as it is not a set of aqidah. It just gives a Muslim a higher degree of enthusiasm and guidance to follow his/her religion. It is acheived by conforming to Islam in not only in a physiological sense, but in a spiritual sense as well. e.g. preventing yourself from telling a lie is Shariah, whereas making your heart used to telling the truth always is Sufism or Tasawwuf. It serves as an aid to Shariah and doesn’t go against it. The whole point of Sufism is to be able to tread the delicate path of Islamic Shariah in a proper manner.
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This is the first time I have heard that sufism is “funded by products of jewish mothers and pirate fathers”. Allah o Akbar!
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Now you guys gonna get me banned again. Who the hell needs anyone’s permission to be called Muslim? You are treating Islam like a friggin gang where one has to be initiated into it by so called Mullahs (or those who insist on telling people whether they are muslim or not). It is between Allah :swt: and his creation, the rest is all garbage and dogshyt.
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Every thing has to come under basic islamic laws. I am quite afraid that the modern day defination of the term may just be some where on the edges. However good balance of it with islamic rituals will certainly add stars to one individual.
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Sufism is a Bida'a...It's all about innovations and less about Islam...I should know...I was one myself...
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sufi'sm is a sort of bidaa'h,
but we cannot consider it apart from islam, as they also say "la ila ha ilallah muhammadur rasoolullah",
only the difference is that they are muslim but like different akeeda,
so we can say that tehse are all just different divisions in islam like shia/salaf/ and sufi..........
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southasian islam will always remain and reflect local culture .
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So called Sufism is directly linked to Prophet (SAW), thought by Umer-Ibn-Khatab (R.A) and Ali-Murtaza (R.A). Majority of top Sufi’s were student of Sahaba. Specially most of the sufi’s in one way or other were student of Ali-Murtaza.
How come it is bida’a, Are you forgeting the story of Awais Qarni to whom Prophet (SAW) sent his robe. One can not be a Sufi unless he follows Shariha.
Please read before opening your mouth.
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hahahaha...Sufis were the vehicle through which South Asia became Musalman...
Sufism by itself doesnt mean anything..
and thats that...it has largely become irrelevant now, esp for those who sincerely seek Islam....
it still has fanatic followers in some parts of Pakistan who refuse to recognize it as plain deviant culture...
they say creepy stuff like the prophets were mere ordinary human beings who were meant to reach out to the ordinary masses, since the masses' level is generally low and the Quran was written for them....but the sufis have reached some higher stage, where they need not follow the Quran or Prophet, just connect with God
It is generally also borne as great badge of culture by the pseudo-arty types, the same kind who tout heera mandi as the highest cultural symbol in Lahore, without being informed of the silsila leaders names, yet they'll quote a few verses from some obscure Persian poet to sound authentic..in fact shayad Iqbal koa bhi quote kartai hain...
Lajawab u were a sufi?....i cant believe that, no wonder the flowery prose....:)
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all these people were sahabs and they never went to any adrgah nor they ordered people to go on any dargah, as the sufi’s doo,
the sufi which people are talking about are not the sufi’s like sahabas but some jahils who says go to dargah and take ur womens also there and its allowed and bla bla bla…
instead of asking their needs to allah, they go to some sufi’s who say they have jinn’s in their control and bla bla…
we r talking of such sufis who say we r syeds and they are the 1st one to leave prayers and roza and other commandments of islam, they just say we r from the family of pbuh and they never spread islam infact they say the peopel doing tableegh are wahabis and bla bla bla…
i rem a hadith in which pbuh says hazrat fatma (ra) that dont think ur father is prophet so u will go in paradise, people will be judged as per their amal.
so sufi’s should learn 1st from pbuh life and then they must consider themselves as sufi, not only going to dargah and taweez makes a person relegious.
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Then stop calling them sufi’s. As Sufi’s are the one who follows shari’a and not the Jahil who don’t even know how to do Wu’du. I think you are pointing to Mallang’s who are not following sharia and just for the change drink Bha’ng. They are not sufi’s.
Again you are mixing the term the one who deals with Jinn’s are Aamels (as they call in Urdu) Not Sufi’s. And the question that people go to them (in case of true sufi) he will always tell them that they should pray and ask allah and they will also pray for him. And people go to him, as they think that since he is following Sharia may be there will be a chance that the problem is solved if he do a Du’aa for me.
The other type is the one who wants to exploite above and they will show that Allah will only listen to them. Again they are not Sufi’s.
Then you should not refer to the term sufi’s. A syed does not mean Sufi. That means the people who relate themself to Prophet (SAW). BTW I know many Syed who do exactly what you said and also there are Syed who try to follow Sunnah in every part of their life. I also know a Mallang who was not praying in front of people but prefered to pray alone in a dark room. which was discovered accidently.
I agree with the hadith and also it is mentioned in Surrah Noah the story of Hazrat Noah (A.S) son.
I have not seen yet any real sufi advertising for his Dargah and nor I have seen a real sufi selling taweez. Again the one’s who are doing that are just fraud and the real sufi’s are not like that.
I suggest reading of Kas’shf-Ul-Mahjoob by Syed Ali Hajwairy for further details.
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its not me , who calls such jahal mullangs sufi’s,
hey themselves term as sufi’s and they say we r from the family of pbuh and bla bla…
i have come cross to many jahal mullanags who call them as sufis and say we r from the family of pbuh and wot they do is they never pray and just say we r syeds we r already out of hell , allah has forgiven our sins as we r syeds and bla bla…
now u tell me who is sufi and who r mullangs and who r syeds and are these jahals from the family of pbuh???
and also i dont know from where they bring this hair and on the 12th rabil awwal when pbuh was born they say its the hair of beard of pbuh,
and they dont have any history also, from whom to whom this hair was transferred, they dont have any proof for this , just they make people fool and say we r sufis and from the family of pbuh!!!
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If I call myself president of USA would you beleive me ?????? Lol
If they are not following Sharia then they are not Sufi's, and that what I said that they are not called sufis.
The question about hair of Prophet (Pbuh), there are guidelines how to test it. And recently the test was done at Hazrat Bal in Occupied Kashmir when Idian army took the hair of Prophet (Pbuh) and after some time when they saw that the people are going out of control they returned it.
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is pakistan following sharia law it is more english common law.
can you list the punishemnt for each crime? do you cut off hands for stealing?
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What is the realtion of this with topic in discussion:eek:
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Bookworm, can you please point to any time in the history of Islam, where worship was performed like the Whirling Dervishes…
Can you point out the time, when the Holy Prophet :saw: or the As’Haabas 
, anytime anywhere went to someone’s grave to put a ‘Chaadar’ there in echange for a ‘Mannat’…
Or any instance where a stone was made to life by someone other than a Prophet, and that too, hasn’t happened…
The Muslims that came to Hindustan did not practice Sufism, otherwise they wouldn’t be here…They would be too busy whirling and making partners to ask for help to Allah :swt:…
I used to be, but I will not be part of Islam where the teachings are non-Islamic…
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lajwab who practises true islam can you givea name of country ? whic one is least islamic?
can you come with NAME? whom should one negotiate with? can you give a name?