Can someone please substantiate/confirm

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Re: Can someone please substantiate/confirm

@bao_bihari

From the website that brother Psyah quoted.

Can we see the complete chain(or sanad) of the ahadith as i dont think that any of these narrators had sama with sahbaha . Just by having a website quote some thing does not really justify this unless the complete evidence is provided, furthermore how to interpret the sahih ahadith that brother ibn sadique quoted about having a shadow, how we will correlate the two?

Complete evidence has not been provided for anything, all we had is online reports of existence of Hadiths. Also in line with this form of resistance its also fair to say nothing is Sahih. Unless we accept someone else’s authentication - which could be a particular person or a community or a sect. It is valuable to know which of these is our criteria for acceptance. Please comment on this

Lets get some context here because who know nothing about Islam are making big statements

Before delving into hadith interpretations, I’d like to clarify a couple of things since more then one sect has teamed up here

What do we think about the one who disbelieves in the possibility of such a miracle? Here i am referring mindsets such as parvezies [not here] and others [as evident here] who rely on scientific or rationalist approach which disbelieves or is against miracles

and the one who has broke ranks to form his own religion or interpretation and criteria

and the one who believes easily the miracles of His Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam

and the one who takes the view that the basic Aqeedah for acceptance of this miracle is already established, and this is a ‘historical stroke virtue report’ which does not need to be held to the strictest conditions to be acceptable

Please comment on this

Any way, are we brainstorming or we arguing about our points?

lets say we are brainstorming
I take the hadith you were talking about is Hadith of Umm ul Momineen, and not the one about Hell

Possibilities

1. What is referred in the Hadith is a change in the light conditions
2. Her sensing of The Prophetic presence
3. Perhaps it was a warning/displeasure from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala with the Shadow being displayed since Rasool Pak was displeased by Umm Ul Momineen prior to that @Psyah - do I need to make tauba?]
4. Perhaps it was safe to display a Shadow here because whatever the conditions Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala had for RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam not having a shadow were not being broken here, this would suggest it was not a permanent state

As for the other Hadith:

1. What ever is in hell has darkness, and the shadow here is a metaphoric projection that will never be a reality and its purpose was to shows us the result of particular actions