can someone help me to learn punjabi?

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

other expressions plz :

OR

TAKE CARE

TAKE GOOD REST

ME TOO

PLEASE

shukrya :)

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can u please translate it to me in punj ? JAZAKAllah

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

hello !!!

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Salaam soosoo

I hope you're well.

Just a question: it's great you want to learn a Pakistani tongue, but I'd have thought you'd have wanted to learn Urdu? Punjabi is a regional tongue, and though it is spoken by the biggest ethnic group in Pakistan (the Punjabi people), people from the other provinces (Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh) as well as Azaad Kashmir will not be able to understand you very well.

However, the vast majority of people do and can understand Urdu (hence why we have it as a national tongue so we can all communicate with one another!).

I'd recommend you learn Urdu though of course this is entirely up to you.

From a poetic and linguistic perspective, Urdu sounds (and is) more aesthetically pleasing =)

PS: The reason we make jokes about Punjabi is because it is a very 'frank' and a 'in your face language' ;) Generally, two people speaking Punjabi sound as if they're having an argument even if they're reciting romantic poetry to one another!

Though I have been told that certain dialects such as Multani Pujabi have a very sweet and lilting tone to them...

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

^Soosoo wants to learn Punjabi, ler her/him learn Punjabi :slight_smile:

:salam: soosoo how are you :wave: here you go,

OR= yaN

TAKE CARE= aphna khayal rakhna

TAKE GOOD REST= changi tarrah aram karro

ME TOO= main vi

And who are the ‘we’ who make fun about Punjabi language? :hmmm:
I dont make fun of it :k: only snobs would make fun of it :slight_smile:

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thank u for explaining to me many points here , yes u are right , even urdu is near to arabic (as im arabic) , one day i started to look for some expressions in urdu, i found it very very close to arabic, some words are 100% arabic!!!!

ok i will learn urdu to have possibility to speak with all pak poeple , and i hope to find someone who can help me to learn it well with all rules ... or if u know any good site , plz dont forget me!

shukrya much much much :) and eid mubarak

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salaaam dil pakistan
eid mubarak
how was eid ?
im ok thanks
i thank u for ur efforts! :slight_smile:

talking about punj and urdu , as Tasavur explained to me , urdu will give me possibility to communicate with more poeple. so i think i will do more effort for learning urdu ! but its nice to know some expressions in punj also !
:slight_smile:

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

:wsalam: Khair Mubarak :slight_smile:

You are most welcome :slight_smile:

Ok, have fun learning urdu :cb:

But plz dont look down at Punjabi, it is a beautiful language :slight_smile: :k:

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Wow you want to learn Punjabi
I have many moroccon friends and this is the first time i hear
Moroccon say they want to learn Punjabi :)

What is the reason for your interrest in learning Punjabi i am really excited to hear that :)

Thank you and good luck with you Punjabi "Akhie"

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dil pakistan : thank u , of course i wont look down at punjabi , i will still learn it inchAllah , thanks to u :slight_smile:

dear happy heart , nice to know u have morroccan friends
about punj , my strong reason is communicate with nice family living in punj some of them know english but not all , and because i like to learn diff languages

:slight_smile:

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

Salaam soosoo akhiy,

Punjabi is a beautiful language spoken by beautiful people.

My maternal family are Punjabi.

The biggest ethnic group in Pakistan are the Punjabis.

Punjabi is also spoken in the northwestern parts of India bordering Pakistan, the language is the same on both sides of the border, the only difference is we Pakistani Punjabis use the Shahmukhi script (related to Arabic script) for writing Punjabi whilst the Indian Punjabis use the Gurmukhi script for writing Punjabi.

It's a shame we Pakistani Punjabis have such an inferiority complex when it comes to our language, we think we'll become more modern if we speak Urdu, we can still be educated, well dressed in suits and tuxedos, drive flashy cars, eat caviar and be modern whilst speaking our own language.

Sikhs are one of the most succesful people in this country and they're proud of Punjabi, even in India they don't sell out to Hindi (a variant of Urdu) but stand proud by their tongue.

Urdu is a beautiful language too but it is not ours, abolishing our own tongue for Urdu is an inferiority complex, Urdu should be limited to the Urdu-Speaking people of Karachi who make up only about 10% of Pakistan's population.

Good luck learning Punjabi. Urdu is fine but Punjabi and Pashto are the real Pakistan, if you want to know the real Pakistan and real Pakistanis then Punjabi, Pashto, Balochi, Kashmiri are the languages of our land.

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I can't believe I overlooked this.

This is the biggest piece of racist trash I have ever come across.

How dare you call Punjabi crude.

Urdu might be beautiful but it is a mishmashed language without any proper history.

Urdu was the language of the slave-soldiers and Indian dancing-prostitutes in Mughal harems who combined local Indian languages of the subjects with the foreign languages of the rulers.

No matter what the movies may say the great Mughals themselves thought it beneath them to converse in Urdu, the Mughals spoke in Farsi.

All the various dialects of Punjabi are beautiful whether they are Majhi, Multani, Seraiki, Hindko, Pothwari or whatever.

Punjabi can be manly and rustic when it wants to be and refined and elegant when it wants to be. Punjabi is very versatile.

If you think Punjabi is crude then you've not heard a Punjabi mutyaar reciting Punjabi poetry.

Urdu on the other hand makes everyone who speaks it look and sound like a Khwaja-Saraa (Hermaphrodite, eunuch, trannssexual).

I love Punjabiyat, the bhangra music (really big in the UK even amongst non-Punjabis), the lively fun zindah-dil people, the beautiful mutyaars, the tasty food, the lush green fields, you don't get that amongst certain ethnicities.

If you are Punjabi yourself Tasavur then afsos, or rather dur fitteh muN!!!

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

plz i dont want poeple fight here about languages!
Allah created us with many languages , so there is no language in this world better than the other
Allah said in sourat arroum ayat 23 :
''wa min ayatihi khal9o ssamawati wal ard wakhtilafi alsinatikoum wa alwanikoum inna fi dalika la ayatin lilaalamine ''

"And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors; most surely there are signs in this for the learned."

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

ok, here we go , let continue with both languages

English----------------------------- Punjabi-------------------------------Urdu

my----------------------------------- ------------------------------
your--------------------------------- ------------------------------
his----------------------------------- ------------------------------
her---------------------------------- ------------------------------
our---------------------------------- ------------------------------
your--------------------------------- ------------------------------
their--------------------------------- ------------------------------

thanks guys :)

Roti
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English----------------------------- Punjabi-------------------------------Urdu

my-----------------------------------mera---------------------------------mera
your---------------------------------tera--------------------------------tumhara
his-----------------------------------ohda--------------------------------uska
her-----------------------------------ohda-------------------------------uska
our-----------------------------------saadha----------------------------hamara
your----------------------------------twada-----------------------------aap ka
their----------------------------------ohna da---------------------------unka

replace the 'a' at the end with an 'i' if the

matlab mera abbu = my father
** meri** ammi = my mother

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

JazakAllah khayr dil pakistan , u are always here ! :)

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First of all, calm down.

Second of all, how on earth is what I wrote racist when we're not talking about ethnic groups, but rather a language?

Thirdly, where in my post did I call Punjabi crude? Please point out to me where I used that word, or suggested it? I did not. As for, 'how dare I call it crude'... well I do (though I still did not mention it in my post). I think it is crude with little sophistication and generally not to my liking. This is MY OPINION, an opinion I am entitled to and if you have a problem with that, there really is absolutely nothing you can do about it

What I said was and please read carefully before kicking off:

  1. It's great soosoo wants to learn a Pakistani tongue, but it may make more sense to learn Urdu because then he would be able to communicate with all Pakistanis and not just Punjabis.

  2. Urdu is literarily a more poetic language - this is absolutely true, simply because it's vocabularly is massively bigger than Punjabi's (particularly because it draws from so many languages). That's not an insult to Punjabi - that's simply fact. There are some languages which are more suited for poetry, others more for day to day communication, others more for science (German, Latin for instance). It doesn't negate the value of any other language.

  3. I then went on to answer soosoo's question about why people joke about or laugh about Punjabi. This is probably the bit that insults you, but as I said, it's my opinion. Deal with it.

In fact, you are the racist idiot. Becuase in one sentence you're saying: "Urdu might be beautiful" and in another "Urdu was the language of the slave-soldiers and Indian dancing-prostitutes in Mughal harems" and "Urdu on the other hand makes everyone who speaks it look and sound like a Khwaja-Saraa (Hermaphrodite, eunuch, trannssexual)." What is this? In fact, Urdu as a language is much more than that particularly considering millions of people in Pakistan have it as their first language and moreoever, that the Islamic revival that lead to the formation of Pakistan in the 30s and 40s was propogated through the medium of Urdu!

You really are quite silly - all languages have a history. Urdu has a very interesting one also - just because it was formed from a confluence of many different languages does not at all lessen its value as a language of worth. In fact, though Farsi was at one preferred by the Mughals, in the latter parts of Mughal rule, Urdu replaced it as the language of the Courts.

In terms of its value, Urdu is as valuable to Pakistan as any of its regional languages. How on earth do you expect the various ethnic groups in our country to communicate with one another? English? And that isn't a foreign import?

Lastly, I am a Punjabi, my background is from the heart of Punjab - I have heard it all, Punjabi poetry, song, verse and colloquial speech and my preference is still Urdu.

If you can't read people's opinions without throwing a fit, don't bother coming to an internet forum. You clearly have no concept of personal preference and everyone's right to an opinion.[/disgust]

At the end of the day, the crux of your post and the reason for your rage is your own jingoism. You say "I love Punjabiyat" not realising that you have moved from a discussion of linguistics to a dicussion of culture, something that was never (and still isn't) the point of my post. The difference between you and me is that I see myself as a Pakistani first and then a Punjabi and you see yourself as a Punjabi first. That's why I can appreciate the need for a unifying language whereas you are emphasising regional cultures...

My jingoism is to my deen *and country - I see Pakistan as a country with valuable cultures and ethnic groups which should be preserved, **but*, none of which is greater than the whole. Anything, such as extreme 'Punjabiyaat' (the kind you display here because you are unable to even accept that anyone may have a differing opinion from you) which can threaten the unity of Pakistan must always be routed out.

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To sum up:

I like Urdu more than Punjabi (much more). I think it is more beautiful, refined and sweeter to listen to. I know it is more practical to learn Urdu than Punjabi if one wishes to visit sites throughout Pakistan and not just Punjab.

That isn't racist. That's my opinion mingled with a bit of fact.

To the topic opener, what I said was:

"I'd recommend you learn Urdu though of course this is entirely up to you."

And that really is all that matters.

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You have an inferiority complex (Ehsaas-e-Kamtari).

It's a shame so many FOB Punjabi Pakistanis have this inferiority complex.

My friend married a FOB and they kept having arguments over which language to teach their children, my ABCD friend was in favour of his mother tongue Punjabi which his fathers, grandfathers and ancestors have spoken for centuries whilst his silly wife was dazzled and brainwashed by the way Urdu is promoted in Pakistan and thought it beneath her to teach her children Punjabi.

My paternal family are from Pashtunkhwa, only my maternal side are Punjabi but I absoloutley LOVE Punjabi.

My paternal cousins mock Punjabis sometimes saying how ashamed, insecure and inconfident they are in their own identity and so eager to get rid of it by adopting Urdu. I always jump to the defence of my Nanial and say that is not the case but sadly it is true. Other Pakistani ethnicities are proud of who they are, they don't try and be something they are not but if a Punjabi becomes Metric pass he wants to start speaking Urdu thinking it will make him better.

Respect yourself, or NO ONE will respect you, be proud of who you are. People like you are no better than Brown Sahibs. Language is what defines our ethnicity, other aspects of culture don't even matter in this day and age. You can still be a patriotic Pakistani and put Pakistan first yet speak Punjabi. Punjabi and Pashto are more Pakistani than Urdu.

I love all Pakistani ethnicities equally but I only identify with two Pakistani languages: Punjabi and Pashto.

Pakistan means more than anything to us, we love our country, not just Punjab or Pashtunkhwa but all its provinces but we can be patriotic without adopting a foreign language (yes Urdu is foreign to most of us, it was born in the land of the enemy: India).

Pakistan is not synonomous to Urdu, Urdu as a national language is a mistake.

Pashtuns want to have nothing to do with Urdu yet they will gladly lay down their lives for Pakistan and their countrymen regardless of language.

We in Pakistan should stop trying to create a fake common culture in Pakistan. Embracing our differences will make us stronger not weaker.

Urdu should have its own seperate province (Karachi), Pakistan should have 6 National Languages (Punjabi, Pashto, Urdu, Balochi, Kashmiri, Sindhi) each for its own province and a Constitutional Language (Classical Arabic: the language of the Qur'aan) because Pakistan wasn't made in the name of Urdu culture/ethnicity/language as that is the same as Hindi culture/ethnicity/language, Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and the lingua-franca/liturgical-language of Islam is Arabic. I'm not saying adopt Arabic to be try and be Arab, not as a national language but as a constitutional language, it's our religious language not ethnic, whilst Urdu is neither religious nor ethnic.

I'm Pashtun/Punjabi and Muslim so Pashto, Punjabi and Arabic for me, Urdu is neither the language of my religion nor my ethnicity.

I shouldn't have insulted Urdu, I just assumed you were an Urdu-Speaking person from Karachi who refer to us Punjabis as uneducated "Daggahs" no matter how educated we become or how fluently we start speaking Urdu.

Urdu might be a beautiful language but it is nothing to do with 90% of Pakistanis, French and Persian are more beautiful but we can't adopt them because that would be aping something we are not.

Urdu increases our cimilarities with the detested India because it's a dialect of the same language as Hindi. Urdu was born on Indian soil and imported to the Indus Valley aka Pakistan from there. If we stop enforcing Urdu in Pakistan then Pakistan will Insha Allah move further away from India because Punjabis will only have linguistic similarities with Indian Punjabis and not other Indians, that's bareable as Indian Punjabis are generally cool (except for a few exceptions), there's not that many Sindhis in India and Pashtuns/Balochis will have no similarities with India if we stop making them speak Urdu (well they don't anyway but sadly Urdu is Indianising them)..

...But if everyone in Pakistan starts speaking Urdu and everyone in India Hindi then Tamils and Pashtuns will become one if future generations all turn secular... OOOOhhh that's a SCARY thought.

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Re: can someone help me to learn punjabi?

Nosherwan para, leave these guys who think Punjabi is crude. Andha kiya jaaney basant ki bahar