First of all, calm down.
Second of all, how on earth is what I wrote racist when we’re not talking about ethnic groups, but rather a language?
Thirdly, where in my post did I call Punjabi crude? Please point out to me where I used that word, or suggested it? I did not. As for, ‘how dare I call it crude’… well I do (though I still did not mention it in my post). I think it is crude with little sophistication and generally not to my liking. This is MY OPINION, an opinion I am entitled to and if you have a problem with that, there really is absolutely nothing you can do about it
What I said was and please read carefully before kicking off:
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It’s great soosoo wants to learn a Pakistani tongue, but it may make more sense to learn Urdu because then he would be able to communicate with all Pakistanis and not just Punjabis.
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Urdu is literarily a more poetic language - this is absolutely true, simply because it’s vocabularly is massively bigger than Punjabi’s (particularly because it draws from so many languages). That’s not an insult to Punjabi - that’s simply fact. There are some languages which are more suited for poetry, others more for day to day communication, others more for science (German, Latin for instance). It doesn’t negate the value of any other language.
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I then went on to answer soosoo’s question about why people joke about or laugh about Punjabi. This is probably the bit that insults you, but as I said, it’s my opinion. Deal with it.
In fact, you are the racist idiot. Becuase in one sentence you’re saying: “Urdu might be beautiful” and in another “Urdu was the language of the slave-soldiers and Indian dancing-prostitutes in Mughal harems” and "Urdu on the other hand makes everyone who speaks it look and sound like a Khwaja-Saraa (Hermaphrodite, eunuch, trannssexual)." What is this? In fact, Urdu as a language is much more than that particularly considering millions of people in Pakistan have it as their first language and moreoever, that the Islamic revival that lead to the formation of Pakistan in the 30s and 40s was propogated through the medium of Urdu!
You really are quite silly - all languages have a history. Urdu has a very interesting one also - just because it was formed from a confluence of many different languages does not at all lessen its value as a language of worth. In fact, though Farsi was at one preferred by the Mughals, in the latter parts of Mughal rule, Urdu replaced it as the language of the Courts.
In terms of its value, Urdu is as valuable to Pakistan as any of its regional languages. How on earth do you expect the various ethnic groups in our country to communicate with one another? English? And that isn’t a foreign import?
Lastly, I am a Punjabi, my background is from the heart of Punjab - I have heard it all, Punjabi poetry, song, verse and colloquial speech and my preference is still Urdu.
If you can’t read people’s opinions without throwing a fit, don’t bother coming to an internet forum. You clearly have no concept of personal preference and everyone’s right to an opinion.[/disgust]
At the end of the day, the crux of your post and the reason for your rage is your own jingoism. You say “I love Punjabiyat” not realising that you have moved from a discussion of linguistics to a dicussion of culture, something that was never (and still isn’t) the point of my post. The difference between you and me is that I see myself as a Pakistani first and then a Punjabi and you see yourself as a Punjabi first. That’s why I can appreciate the need for a unifying language whereas you are emphasising regional cultures…
My jingoism is to my *deen *and country - I see Pakistan as a country with valuable cultures and ethnic groups which should be preserved, but, none of which is greater than the whole. Anything, such as extreme ‘Punjabiyaat’ (the kind you display here because you are unable to even accept that anyone may have a differing opinion from you) which can threaten the unity of Pakistan must always be routed out.