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prove it
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http://www.carnegieendowment.org/pdf/npp/Pakistan%20and%20North%20Korea.pdf
Just take a look at a picture of the No Dong and Ghauri missile plus the well known AQ Khan scandal of nuke transfers for missiles.
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I asked you for proof not a picture, I can produce lot of cars that look alike but that don’t mean zilch… Yeah I read all about AQK but then from the same sources I also read Saddam could deploy WMD within 45 minutes… naaaa you are reading too much propoganda…
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I can only provide you with evidence of the ghauri being a no dong. You can reject this if you want to, but I cannot provide you with interviews of North Korean or Pakistani officials admitting this. But AQ Khan did admit to giving nuclear technology to north korea and it would make sense that we got something other then money in return. Western intel is not always right, but they were right about AQ Khan. Of course if he hadn't admitted this on PTV, you would not even believe that.
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You are not providing any evidence except the bull by the same media that claim Saddam can deploy WMD in 45 minutes so that goes out of the window… I am pretty sure AQK and Mushy personally called you and made a confession about the link. And no AQK has nothing to do with nuke proliferation he is just being made a scape goat but you will believe that just because western media has it all over the place. Oh BTW I know a boeing product that looks like Aerospatiel..
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Sigh, looks like you are from the "everything I haven't seen with my eyes is a lie" school of thought.
It's not just about the looks but it's also about performance, range, payload capacity, fuel type which nearly identical. AQ Khan may be a scapegoat, but the admitted fact is that Pakistan transferred nuke technology to NK and NK, which has no money, paid us back with missiles. Is that so impossible to believe?
While on the subject, you should also know that the Shaheen missile is a copy of the Chinese M11/M9 missiles. Bakhtar Shikan is a copy of Chinese Red Arrow missile. Anza is a copy of Chinese QW1 missile.
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Sure, every thing is a copy of every thing, what you are providing is circumstantial and the garbage that is printed in westren media… You have no evidence but you claim since the range is the same it must be the same. yeah sure I know Boeing jet which looks like Airbus with same range… Are you over and over refering to the same media that claimed Saddam has WMD? If you go by the same media we also got the bomb design from China when even a child can make a gun barrel design in his basement, strange isn’t it… What next?
Here is first Pakistani Car
http://www.cardatabase.net/photos/small/8/1/9/00030918.jpg
Compare it with this
http://www.rent-a-taxi.com/images/smallcar-hyundai-santro.jpg
And the manufacturer of Revo Adam Motors has already said that the engine and gear box is chinese and they are working on an indigenous domestic designs and the Korean is 100 percent Korean and they both look the same.
Coprande
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While on the subject, you should also know that the Shaheen missile is a copy of the Chinese M11/M9 missiles. Bakhtar Shikan is a copy of Chinese Red Arrow missile. Anza is a copy of Chinese QW1 missile.
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And whats the harm in that. USA/USSR missile programs started by reverse enginering German V2 rockets.
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Definition of Zilog-80 given is : An 8-bit microprocessor from Zilog, a company founded by former Intel engineers. Z80 released by Zilog, and the basis for the computer boom in the early 1980s. A descendant of the Intel 8080, it was the favored processor in the days of the CP/M operating system. http://www.birds-eye.net/definition/acronym.cgi?what+is+z80=Zilog+80&id=1152269310
This example is very similar to J-7, which is a Chinese clone of Russia’s MiG-21 plane.
Well suppose that now you are given an Anupama based embedded system, whose access is encrypted in an unknown cipher (there are many unlike DES), so then will you be able to understand what the system does let alone cloning it ? Assume that you dont know Anupama’s architecture.
I asked you this coz in that Xbox hacking example that was given by you, most of the processors or chips that the author of the article hacked, were known to him. Even the Nintendo chip that was REd by ChipWorks must have been atleast familiar to them by studying previous kinds of nintendo cards (they could make out the separate circuitry for graphics, sound and other functions).
Well that sentence was from ChipWorks’ official website. Those were their own words not mine.
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Well I dont have intentions of starting a quarrel, but I agree with Khehkeshan that most of Pakistan’s missiles are derived from Chinese and North Korean missiles (some of them are exact copies).
This is not my personal opinion, but the view of some reputed defence groups like Jane’s defence, FAS.org (Federation of American Scientists) and globalsecurity.org also say this. Shaheen is compared to M-11, and Ghauri-I is compared to No-Dong, Ghauri-2 is confirmed to be Taepedong-1. It is also known that the first truly indigenous missiles of Pakistan Hatf-1 and Hatf-2 were failures and were never inducted into Pakistan’s armed forces.
These links can be used as references :
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No harm in that, but it just shows where our defence capabilities stand right now.
But people like mo will never believe the obvious when it is in front of them.
Mo, answer me this, were the Western agencies right or not about our nuclear proliferation? Forget about Iraq, this is not an Iraq discussion. You can’t just use their political blunders to paint everything from them as false. The Pakistani press has also covered the north korean origin of ghauri. You can look it up.
Why would we go to the trouble of designing our own missle and have it look exactly like the Nodong and the Irani Shahab which is also a nodong copy? Does that make any sense to you? Missiles are not cars, and if we can’t make the engine for cars or tanks, what makes you think we can make rocket engines or even UAV engines?
As for Boeing and Airbus, there is public data on both aircraft obviously, so we can study that and figure out they are not the same. We all know where they have factories. You can’t keep comparing them to defence products claimed to be made by Pakistan.
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Ah when it suits you you pick and chose what serves your cause.. right… Seems like you don’t want to admit the fact that westren propoganda is full of it be it WMD in Iraq or Pak nuclear/missiles …
But then here is something for you lets see if a genius like you can figure it out..
The west says we gave nuke technology to North Korea, right? And we are still struggling to master plutonium route when North Korea already has plutonium bombs… I am sure you will have no trouble searching the net to find out that for plutonium route one needs to go through uranium route… makes sense!?
But by your logic since the two look the same they are the same and just because western propoganda says so..
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Definition of Zilog-80 given is : An 8-bit microprocessor from Zilog, a company founded by former Intel engineers. Z80 released by Zilog, and the basis for the computer boom in the early 1980s. A descendant of the Intel 8080,
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It was Binary compatible i.e. shares the same registers and operations as the 8080. Yes was founded be an ex-intel employee but in the IT industry that is the norm, just like most startups. IT IS NOT A CLONE. Just like a Pentium Pro can run x86 instructions as can a P4 and AMD K6 etc.... they are different but run the same binary code.
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Well suppose that now you are given an Anupama based embedded system, whose access is encrypted in an unknown cipher (there are many unlike DES), so then will you be able to understand what the system does let alone cloning it ? Assume that you dont know Anupama's architecture.
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For crying out loud YES YES YES. You RE the architecture of the CPU. Do you know what a CPU is? if you dont it's ALU==>ADDR++>Logic gates==>transistors as I have said so many times you simply WORK YOUR WAY BACKWARDS so you identify a TRANSISTOR ==> GATE ==> ADDR==>ALU, same goes for CACHE and other Integrated devices.
And as I said so mnay times to be of any use INSTRUCTION REGISTER ARE NOT ENCRYPTED. If you had a encrypted instruction nothing would work.
Xbox is x86, it merly made the job a little easier. Just an extra step involved for unknown CPU. BTW in this day and age it would be silly to produce a custom arhitecture for a missile system when so mnay on the market will meet the needs. Unlike a PS2 the price wont be a major factor so extra $10 wont kill it, nor will you make 50 million units.
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Even the Nintendo chip that was REd by ChipWorks must have been atleast familiar to them by studying previous kinds of nintendo cards (they could make out the separate circuitry for graphics, sound and other functions).
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No It was a new architecture, ATI Flipper. This **** happens every day. Every IC company does it so dont why you are all so suprised.
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So, you don’t even believe what AQ Khan, Musharraf and the Pakistani government have already openly admitted? Does it have to come from Osama’s mouth or maybe Kim Jong Il’s mouth before you accept it as the truth? Obviously, there is no convincing you, and it’s not my job to make you see the facts right in front of you. Feel free to believe what you want.
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Genius, I saw AQK and Musharrafs speech on TV and nowhere did they say that they gave nuke technology to North Korea. It is you who is parroting the western propoganda machine. North Korean nuclear technology and support comes direct from China and Russia. But I am sure AQK and Mush must have phoned you and told you something different, something we don’t know.
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Yeah, I know BBC is western propoganda…whatever
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No its the word of god.. LOL…
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Once again, you fail to come up with anything of substance other then the unrelaetd tales of Iraq and WMD, which has nothing to do with Musharraf's statements. Just admit you were wrong and we can move on.
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^ You have extreme comprehension problem or you wont be beating the same ol your masters drum...
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Wow, talking to you is like talking to a small child.
Here, let me make this easier for you:
*"Yes, he passed centrifuges - parts and complete. I do not exactly remember the number," President Musharraf told Kyodo. *
Lets try to work with this step by step. Pakistan provided nuke technology to NK. Can we agree on this or are you still stuck with your Iraqi WMD's?