Can Pakistan army be trusted

In a recent article in Time magzine it is being highlighted the composition and unreliability of Pakistan army…

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1682637,00.html

Can Pakistan’s Military Be Trusted?
Friday, Nov. 09, 2007 By ROBERT BAER Supporters of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif burn tires during a protest against emergency rule in Lahore, Pakistan, November 9, 2007.
Rahat Dar / EPAArticle ToolsPrintEmailReprintsSphereAddThisRSS The mess in Pakistan should make us miss the Cold War — really miss it.

There was a time when Washington could call up Islamabad and order a jihad on the Red Army occupying Afghanistan — and Islamabad would salute. Islamabad was our loyal ally in the Cold War. Granted, no one in Washington was happy when Pakistan started developing a nuclear bomb in the '70s. Or when it finally tested one in May 1998. But still, we slept nights knowing that Pakistan’s pro-American, Western-trained generals, our generals, had their fingers on the trigger.

Now, things aren’t so clear. With the anarchy along the border with Afghanistan — Pashtunistan, as the Pakistanis call it — promising to spread, with Benazir Bhutto promising mass demonstrations, the courts closed and Musharraf promising the army will put down civil disobedience at the same time as he promises democratic elections in February, it’s hard to tell where the generals stand.

With more than a little irony, even the Iranians are worried. “Pakistan is not a country, Pakistan is an army,” an Iranian close to the regime in Tehran recently complained to me. “And it’s an army you can’t count on.”

My Iranian friend tried to make the case that we would be better off with Tehran having a nuclear bomb than Pakistan’s generals. Small comfort to Washington and Tel Aviv, but he was on to something.

The truth is Pakistan is an artificial country, its borders drawn by British colonial administrators in a fit of expediency, its people hopelessly divided along ethnic lines. None of it mattered, democracy or not, as long as the generals stood shoulder to shoulder and held off disintegration and chaos — kept the nukes safe, out of the hands of radicals. Let’s hope the generals aren’t having second thoughts.

One concern might be Pakistan’s ethnic Pashtuns. They make up roughly 20% of Pakistan’s officer corps and 25% of enlisted. Historically, they have faithfully served Pakistan, but since 9/11 their loyalty has been sorely tested. Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are holed up in Pashtunistan, on both sides of the remote, mountainous, impenetrable Pakistan-Afghan border — the rear base they use to wage jihad on Islamabad and Kabul. Al-Qaeda has at least the implicit support of the local Pashtuns, and, inevitably, Pashtuns are dying, both at our hands and the Pakistan army’s. It has to be taking a toll on the loyalties of Pashtuns in Pakistan’s army.

And that’s just the start. With Benazir Bhutto now under house arrest, it’s unclear where her supporters in the army stand. And if Musharraf really were to hold a free election in February, who would win? The last time there was a free election in the Middle East, Hamas won in Gaza.

The generals promise us the center will hold — the army is not going to disintegrate, and the nukes are safe behind lock and key. But then again, these are the same generals who apparently had no idea their head nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan was selling Pakistan’s nuclear secrets to anyone who could pay.

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Pakistan army and Pakistan are different Yazdi?

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Pakistan army is still a very cohesive unit and CAN be trusted. There is a campaign these days to malign Pakistan and pose it as a threat to world peace, especially its nuclear weapons.

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Do you have any doubt in that....

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If these army guys for the sake of their power retention can attack supreme court and sell national intrest for the sake of one person what will stop them from selling nuclear weapons....This is not Pakistan army....this is Pervaiz Musharaf army>>>

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Do they come from some other planet? Are they not your relatives? Or my relatives? Are they not your neighbours? Or my neighbours?

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another misleading paid article or wanna be get attention writer. get a life!

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If Pakistan Army is not trustable then so is Pakistan.

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Totally wrong...

The hope for the future of Pakistan is not Pakistan army....

It's Pakistan's judiaciary>>>>

Yes you are right to the extent that Pakistan with everything under army dictators can not be trusted>>>

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^^ yea only when the judges at lower court dont have backlog of thousends of cases and they are not in bed with the like minded Advocates and dont take decisions on the basis of who can bribe him more!

take a round at lower courts, session, and hight courts. you will get the picture.
SC is too busy for normal cases as it has taken on suo moto on priority above everything else.

without army and other forces courts cant do anything. it becomes hope only when you see all monkies with MPA/MNA plates on cars wandering around just to get money making oppertunity without any direction.

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^^^^

Inspite of all the flaws mankind is yet to invent anyother system better than institutional justice system....

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I think if you can eliminate the corruption at the higher level, it will slowly and gradually die down at the lower levels.

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Pakistan army can be trusted but it's losing respect in the eyes of the people because of the military constantly meddling in politics and the affairs of government

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article looking for loyality of Pakistan army towards US and the west. and we are discussing its loyality to its people. and I guess cause of the loyality towards west is creating problems for Pakistan.

It in the eyes of the writer cant be trusted cause it may become fully loyal to Pakistan its people!

what the freaking writer missing if the army done wrong in past by fighting american war in Afghanistan and created these jihadi elements, which west has to worry about is far less than Pakistan as its getting the aftermath of such practice, sooner or later it will be overcome. changing tactics may take only orders, when you change ideology of people. this will take time to change and unfortunately Pakistan and Afghanistan are only two countries who are getting this backlash not US or the West.

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I'm not sure about the army, but I can say with fair certainty that Pakistani generals cannot be trusted. And the Pakistan is where it is b/c of corrupt and power hungry generals.

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^Absolutely!

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^ I said that because i forgot for a few minutes how trustworthy our heaven sent politicians are! :eek:

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Can Pakistan army trusted? I hope that people should use their marble and should not start talking ridiculously crap. Just think of the backgrounds:

Jihadis, Taliban and retarded religious Zombies: They come from some obscure Madrassa brainwashed from their young age. They and their loyalty is their misguided Zombie cult beliefs and all others who stand in front of their misguided Zombie cult beliefs are enemy of God, be they Pakistani or whoever.

[To me, these are biggest danger and future threat to Pakistan, more than corrupt politicians, as they move around in Pakistan freely and many trust them as loyal Pakistanis and leaving even critical Pakistani posts to them, including army and bureaucracy unchecked, even though they are not loyal citizens of Pakistan but their loyalty lies with their misguided beliefs.

I think that entry requirements to Pakistan army and Bureaucracy should change so that only people believing on 'Pakistan first' should be able to join these nationally important jobs, plus their loyalty throughout their services be checked and affiliations to 'Pakistan first' above their any personal affiliations guaranteed].

Political leaders: They could be anyone who is characterless person, have illegal or legal money (many are children of past corrupts) and desire to spend that money to become popular and get elected by hook or by crook, and than use that elected position to loot and plunder Pakistan. They could be a butcher from UK, a road sweeper from USA, or domestic servant in Dubai, as long as he/she has will, paid brownies behind him, and found money from somewhere, he could become political leader (even Ministers or Prime Minister). Only purpose of these politicians seems to be looting and plundering the country without any commitment to the country.

Political grass root cannon folder workers: Brainwashed dummies who can kill other Pakistanis for their Political leaders, and use any legal or illegal opportunity given by their political leader to make money and make their life easy.

Military general: A middle class or poor Pakistani that passes his early education and at the age of 18 joins army that is unique job where at times, a person is on duty 24 hours/7 days fighting for their life, without any knowledge if they would come out of the profession dead or alive, or that they would reach amongst top echelon of the profession or not.

A journalist or businessman, a lawyer or academic, a doctor or engineer, an accountant or whatever, if they are intelligent, contacts at right places, or money to back them up, they can get to top. But not people in army. It is only profession in Pakistan where hard work and intelligence is not only criteria to get to top but un-questioned loyalty to the country along with mental strength, commitment to the country, professionalism, fearlessness and selflessness is main criteria to go forward in the career.

Though I know that many on this forum are very patriotic Pakistanis and whose loyalties to the country is so deep and they are so committed to the country, that they would not hesitate to leave suffering Pakistanis in need of their services (engineers, doctors, accountants, businessmen, academics, etc) so that they can make their own life better anywhere rich in the world, still I would not like to answer the question but would like to leave the answer to the people’s intelligence to think and answer who can be trusted for the country and who could not.

Hint: Few days back someone with long beard, cap covering his head, and trouser pulled above his ankle, started arguing with me that ‘Pakistan may media bay-hayeae phaela raha hay’, loug road per bhie bayhea hou gayea hayain, American and Indian culture her taraf nazar a raha hay, aur ‘chand dollars kay liya dictator mulk baich raha hay, aur Pakistaniyon ko America ko day raha hay’

I told him that:‘Aap sahie kah rahay hain, aap ko bay-hayaee, culture, aur dollars say atnie nafrat hay kay aap nay ussay Pakistan may choor ker UK kay sahiloon per, UK kay culture may, UK kee sarkoon per, aur UK kee naukreeyon may panah lay rakhkhi hay. Ab dekhayin na aap nay katnie taag-o-dau kay baad, katna stuggle ker kay UK/USA pohnchay hayn aur UK/USA kee panah lay rakkhie hay, ab yea loog jo muft may USA bhaijay jaa rahay hain ketnie galaat baat hay, USA tou sirf ham aur aap kay liya hay, inn logon kay liya tou nahie’. I don t know why that person thought that I have become direct, when I just appreciated his ‘hate for bayhaee and dollars’, and told that to him with good intention.

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I disagree. Ironically, under the rule of a General Pakistan has had the fortune of seeing Unprecdedented Economic Growth, Free Judiciary, and Free Media. :)

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But we have had the misfortune of not knowing how much money went into the pockets of these generals. Has there for instance ever been an audit on where the money from the earth quake fund or the money the US is giving ($80million per month) to fight the extremists in Waziristan is actually going and how much of that money has actually gone towards the said causes?