Can Pakistan army be trusted

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Yea, right.

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Brother, please do not take it personal, but I know that you do not like to read a lot to understand anything, and still want to make comments on various topics. Though, I feel that you will comment without reading and trying to understand even this post, nevertheless, please try to spare few minutes to read and understand what I have written. :)

As for Pakistan last 8 years, one thing you can say with certainty and that is, Pakistan treasure is full, reserves is bulging, stock market is booming, exchange rate is stable, consumptions of people are going over the roof, taxes are increasing very fast even though tax rates have decreased, salary is increasing at very fast rate compare to prices, infrastructure is getting better rapidly, media has mushroomed so much that choice are abundant, people are participating in government at local level first time in Pakistan history, police act is introduced, laws changed to give better justice to people ... so on and on and on ... and all this cannot happen with corruption (or at least heavy corruption that use to be hallmark of Pakistan government), so that means today no one is making money in big way from corruption.

As for your rhetoric about $80 million dollar per month Pakistan gets from USA, than it is not USA giving Pakistan anything but Pakistan army is charging USA because of extra expenses Pakistan army is incurring due to Pakistan border control, that is interest of Pakistan as well as USA these days. Nevertheless, whatever Pakistan charged USA during last 6 years after 9/11 plus any help from anywhere, we should remember that Pakistan inherited over 38 billion dollars foreign loans and 1700 billion rupees local loans, both at very high interest rate, and only interest on those loans during last 8 years is around 8 billion dollars a year (around $3 Billion dollar interest on foreign dollar loans and over 300 billion interests on rupee loans ($5 billion to $6 billion).

That means, in last 8 years, from 1999 to 2007, government of Pakistan paid interest of over 32 billion dollars (in rupees and dollars) on loans that was taken by previous corrupt governments, and that 32 billion dollars did not played any role in decreasing Pakistani past loans (as it was just interest). This compares to around 8 billion dollars Pakistan received from USA under various categories since last 8 years. That includes $80 million dollars a month Pakistan charges USA for what Pakistan incurs in extra military expenses, plus a billion that USA gave for earthquake as well as others aids (and in them, there are also loans that Pakistan have to pay back to USA).

Now if you would think that Pakistan paid all these interest by borrowing more (as it was norm of past government) than again you are wrong, as Pakistan debt has not increased much during last 8 years. Actual increase is from $70 billion national debt in 1999 to $77 billion dollars national debt in 2007 (today) or only $7 billion dollars (mostly in rupees) during last 8 years. That is, when Pakistan paid $44 billion just on interest on past debts plus have around 17 billion dollars reserves. In 1999, Pakistan debt with respect to GDP was over 100 percent, and today Pakistan debt with respect to GDP is 52 percent.

So, what ever Pakistan may have received from charging USA and whatever Pakistan received from other USA sources since 2001, does not even cover one year of interests on loans what previous corrupt governments left for present government to service. On the other hand, what reserves in dollars Pakistan has today (almost $17 billion dollars), that is double than what USA gave Pakistan for all reasons since 2001.

Now how all this could be possible while government is also doing corruption? So, to believe that present government is doing corruptions and still have given such impressive performance is ridiculous. I believe that it is very unlikely, almost impossible and I think that Pakistanis should appreciate what need to be appreciated.

So, all this shows that corruption is very little if there is any in Pakistan, certainly minute in comparison to all past periods (from 1947 to 1999). Unfortunately, if anyone cannot see that clear writing on wall, than it is not fault of anyone but their own lack of mathematical and analytical abilities.

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Yep. Right indeed. The Judiciary and Media had never been freer in Pakistan history than under the ledership of President Musharaf. However, do not expect the same under Emergency Rule. :)

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Question: Can Pakistan army be trusted?

Answer: Depends on who is asking, whether its foreign country(ies) or Pakistani public :p

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I don't agree on this. We need to find the roots of all evil. Which normally is on the lower level. So If the nation Itself has been infected by corruption, Then a corrupted mind will never question the higher level. More over you'll see most of average Pakistani (be It middle class or poor) sitting at home and rejecting to believe Mushy has had any links to Taliban or/and militants. Like most of them, who post here in favour of the dictator.

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...Or a Pakistani sitting in a foreign Country.

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Jihadis were created, nourished, grown and protected by CIA and ISI in last 3 decades. They have done hell of a job for them. Fought Afghan war to topple down USSR for their masters, helped Kashmir movement, raged war against each other, destroyed each other, spreaded war into Pakistan to help their masters achieve something big in the region, disintegration of Pakistan and its nuclear weapons and program.

God Bless Kessinger
God Bless Zia
God Bless NS/BB
God Bless Taliban
God Bless Bush
God Bless Maharaja Musharraf

:jhanda:

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We stayed silent for years and years to follow. Our silence was the biggest mistake, since we never wanted to accept the truth about Pak Army, ISI, CIA. Although some of us have finally. Majority still believes Musharraf is NOT a threat to Pakistan’s national interests. We can not afford him selling our nuclear weapons. My prediction say: Even If arragements are done with US of A, he will never be blamed for It. All blames will be put on democratic and political leaders. Like we never mention Zia for his heroic deeds. That traitor.

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Means America can trust Pakistan army while Pakistsni public can not>>>

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Can Pakistani politicians be trusted? Can any Pakistani be trusted?

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It looks like the Pakistani army under Musharraf could be a part of the problem instead of being a part of the solution. This according to recent CNN programme

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Well, thats is a fact. No democratically elected leader would've done what Mush has for the US. Remember our nuke tests and how much pressure Clinton put on NS, but he still went ahead and tested the nukes anyway... Can you honestly believe that Mushrraf could do something like that? I doubt it.

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Yes, after 9/11, NS would not have allowed (under pressure from his mullah friends) America to use our bases and air space to fight Taliban. Pakistan would have been sanctioned and outcast from the nations of the world at the very least.

~**~ Tussi Baray ----- Ho ~~~~ ~**~
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Meray very respected Saleem Bhai,

With really due respect to you (I have nothing against you) you are famous for writing very long posts without any real substance inside....let me try to show you the mirror>>>

Meray Bhai the issue is very simple....try to understand simply.....go back to your basics first....don't try to put cart before the donkey>>>

With millions of years of evolution of our human kind atleast all our human race agrees on a basic princple....institutional judiciary should be above any person no matter who he is....not the other way around....

At the moment people who have to justice are under arrest and our judiciary was physically attacked by army under the control of your master, and you are trying to advocte his actions and justify what he has done>>>

I just want to ask you are you in your senses????

How can you advocate this man and negate all the sense of civilization our human race has achieved in millions of years?????

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Well Saleem is famous for balanced and focused posts unlike Ben Ladeenies whose sole aim is to discredit Pakistan and Pak army.

-------Judiciary is supposed to interpret the law of the land and not start making one up as it goes.

-----Judiciary is responsible for helping maintain stability of the country by correct application of the laws.

-----Judiciary is not supposed to create and inflame anarchy in the country.

This past judiciary was helping commies, socialists, and Ben Ladeenies by creating anarchy.

Off course the anarchists and terrorists love such so-called judiciary and hence these mad outbursts against Pakistan and Pakistanis.

One quick test for the so-called supporters of law and human right supporters is one!

Did they take out processions against the Talibanic suiciders?

The answer is a big -fat-Halwa-khor tond NO!

Thus by action, all the ba-ba-black-Kartoot Liers, so called HR activists have fully supported the anarchy of Talibanic suiciders.

So bi billi take this judiciary and keep it in you know where!

p.s. Ben Ladeenies started saying Pakistan army is taking home the money. When they were smacked with facts, they change the tunes to judiciary. I am sure they now will find some other issue. Such is the life of anti-Pakistan vermin.

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Stop your taliban rantings as it has lost appeal now....It can no more provide justification to unlawful rule of your master....

If you do not have any respect for law....if you have no morality left in you to stand up and say wrong is wrong.....if you do not believe in rule of law....just don't start these taliban rantings...nobody supports Al quaida here except your own master who secretly nurtures them to achieve his own kalay intentions>>>>

You can not fool anybody now>>>

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I kid you not! People have finally figured out that anarchists and ben-Ladenites are upto no good.

Attacking our soldiers and officers can only be done by Hindus extremists / Arab extremists/ and their twin lackey Mullahs.

This thread was started with one sole purpose, it was to denigrate the precious blood of our Shaheed Jawans and officers.

Down with Ben-Ladenites, and anarchists!

In the memory of our fallen soldiers and law-enforcement officers.
May Allah bless them and bless their families.

Pakistan Paindabad.

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Your master dictator can fool Americans with these rantings by b*****ng the entire Pakistani nation as asqaida…you can not fool Pakistani nation any more…

Your master dictator is actually the one who secretly nurtures alqaida to stay in power…Pakistani common people are the one’s who are against these people because eventually your master will join his son in Houston but people of this country will suffer>>>>

http://pakistanpolitics.net/?p=47

Musharraf Releases Highest Ranking Taliban Ever Captured
Parvez Musharraf needs more militants to militate against in order to affirm the presence of his totalitarian military in Pakistan’s civilian sphere. As I noted in my article Pakistan, Prince of Denmark, this means that Musharraf will ally with pro-Taliban parties, appease militants by offering them the freedom to implement Sharia, kill those tribal leaders who held the Taliban at bay (links all in the article), and now, it appears, he will release the HIGHEST RANKING TALIBAN EVER CAPTURED.

Newsweek reports:

Pakistani lawyers, human-rights activists and opposition-party members can scarcely ignore the irony of their situation: while thousands of them are being beaten and locked up under President Pervez Musharraf’s newly declared state of emergency, his government has just let more than two dozen militant Islamists out of jail. Protesters might be even angrier if Musharraf disclosed the names of some of those freed militants. Taliban sources tell NEWSWEEK that the top man on the list was Mullah Obaidullah Akhund—the highest-ranking Taliban official ever captured by the Pakistanis. As one of Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar’s closest confidants and his defense minister until the post 9-11 invasion of Afghanistan, Obaidullah was No. 3 in the group’s hierarchy and a member of its ruling 10-man shura (council).

Apparently Obaidullah was released in a prisoner exchange program. Which means that the Taliban now know that all they have to do to get what they want is capture prisoners. In light of the fact that Pakistani military is at such low morale that in the first set piece against Taliban forces in non-tribal areas, they surrendered WITHOUT offering a shot, this is not just sad to hear, it is downright frightening. Taliban attack, Pakistani military stands down, Musharraf releases Taliban prisoner and meets Taliban demands…

In short: Musharraf is destabilizing Pakistan so that it perpetuates his rule. No wonder the first paragraph of the Emergency Declaration read as follows:

Whereas there is visible ascendancy in the activities of extremists and incidents of terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings, IED [improvised explosive device] explosions, rocket firing and bomb explosions and the banding together of some militant groups have taken such activities to an unprecedented level of violent intensity posing a grave threat to the life and property of the citizens of Pakistan;