Hi guys Im looking to get married and Ive spoken two girls whom had pasts? It kills me inside to know Ivebsaved myself for my wife and have never had gfriend while Im finding it hard to get a girl who hasnt had a bfriend.
Khandaan mein dekh lain phir.
Problem solved....right?
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you do realize that madonna is indeed the holy virgin mother of god’s name. hence, apt. 
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So you have dismissed my argument as useless, nonsensical and unsubstantial without even bothering to offer a coherent response. How constructive. If you don't mind a little back and forth, with my assurance of no unnecessary hostility, I would find it most enjoyable to learn why I am wrong. But you can't just tell me that my argument is useless, without giving a well-reasoned, logical counter response.
A tit-for-tat as you put it, was enough to prove your logical fallacy. You can name a few examples, I can name a few counter examples, and so can everyone else. It's your word against mine, against everyone else's. At the end of the day it does not prove anything. I don't like religious people, I think they are hypocrites. But I have to admit that by practicing their religious beliefs alone, they are doing a lot of things right that I don't. Can't take that away from them. Why talk in absolutes. There is no single deed that will make you entirely pious, or entirely evil. There are no absolutes. And abstinence is no different. I never said that abstinence equates piety, I used the word demonstrates. It is a demonstration, an indication of morals, character and self-control.
No, it's not an assumption. You conveniently chose to ignore the "all-else-being-equal" part. It was a statement. All else being equal, a virgin is more pious than a non-virgin. All else being equal, a virgin is more capable of resisting temptations. All else being equal, a virgin is better at self-control. All else being equal, a virgin is more firm in his/her beliefs.
Its your word against mine - not everyone else's. I find the argument that virginity makes someone pious weird because it doesn't. Plenty of virgins out there - are not religious nor pray or do anything religious with their lives. The state of virginity is not a state of holiness - lots of non-Muslims are virgins as well. Seriously? So what? You may find virginity a demonstration of high character, morals and self-control. I don't. Why? Because all of this amazing self-control is supposed to do some GOOD in a human being. What good is your virginity if it doesn't make you a better Muslim? A drinking virgin...ever seen one? I have. A virgin that doesn't have sex but doesn't pray either. Ever seen one of those? Yup, I have. Oh and the virgin that has literally saved only that part of herself - seen one of those too. This doesn't mean all women or men that are virgins are like this or even majority. But enough for me to say that I cannot consider virginity a demonstration of character, morals and self-control.
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Khandaan mein dekh lain phir. Problem solved....right?
I told him that earlier and even hinted why Jesus wasnt born to the people he knows :D
:-) challo as long as the right advise was given twice, no harm done :-D
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^ What's love, but a second-hand emotion?
What would you say to the Lovers of God? Surely there have been other men who have loved God before. But you cannot stop loving him because of that. You must learn to accept that love shouldn't only be lust that our inner greed and ego must tell us to be selfish and only wanting one for ourselves.
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All else being equal, a virgin is more pious than a non-virgin. All else being equal, a virgin is more capable of resisting temptations. All else being equal, a virgin is better at self-control. All else being equal, a virgin is more firm in his/her beliefs.
when you apply the "all else being equal" this statement makes sense.....
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What would you say to the Lovers of God? Surely there have been other men who have loved God before. But you cannot stop loving him because of that. You must learn to accept that love shouldn't only be lust that our inner greed and ego must tell us to be selfish and only wanting one for ourselves.
who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?
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Why some people are making so much hoo haa on this topic.
I'm a virgin and i desire one too not because of the religious perspective, goodness of heart or the piousness of the girl but because of desires pleasure of having a virgin women. It's more about sexual needs than any other thing, different people have different priority and if a guy is demanding it than i don't find it a big deal.
Girls can also demand a virgin male but their priority lies somewhere else when it comes to marriage.
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yerbara leave every thing- just go and adopt one ! Paal poos k baRa karke shadi Karlo :D
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[mod] I have removed a bunch of posts. Keep things civil and to topic without getting personal with other posters. [/mod]
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Do what you must brah
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oh please lol
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^Imo she was referring to people who become obessed with virginity to the point where it seems to become more important than anything else.. It** isn't the be all and end all of a person's character and morals (isn't riba considered the worst sin of all, equivalent to sleeping with your own mother, but so many so-called 'pious' people somehow conveniently forget that.. Instead of focusing so much on what people are up to peraps they should look at **their own sins first)..
Good for those who have stayed virgins and would prefer to only marry a virgin as well but to look down on others if they are sinning themselves in other ways of course is wrong..
(Btw someone mentioned flogging and being executed as punishment, the first should only ever happen if the couple were doing it in front of 4 witnesses lol and as for the second punishment again there would need to be proof and the ppl involved would need to be actually married ie committing adultery and not just sex before marriage.. Our (very patriarchial) culture treats sex before marriage harsher than our religion itself does, we can see this in the way girls are punished worse than boys when doing the exact same thing)
There's that famous hadith about a prostitute whose sins were all forgiven for giving water to a thirsty dog and a young couple who appeared after obviously having had sex who were then married to rectify the situation - no punishment as there were no witnesses to the act itself..
Virginity in itself is NOT a measure of a person's character and yes it can sometimes be overrated..
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I seriously don't know the reason for giving me an infraction. I opposed a person who thinks that virginity is over-rated.That is clearly against our religion and culture.It goes against the moral fabric of our society. Unfortunately,the person who made that comment seems to be a moderator.
Abusing the authority to silence a correct view is morally very wrong but you won't understand that.
If you were really so concerned about your infraction and why you got it, you could have sent a PM to ask why you got it.
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I seriously don't know the reason for giving me an infraction. I opposed a person who thinks that virginity is over-rated.That is clearly against our religion and culture.It goes against the moral fabric of our society. Unfortunately,the person who made that comment seems to be a moderator.
Abusing the authority to silence a correct view is morally very wrong but you won't understand that.
when you learn to express your view without insulting other members of the forum, moderator or not, you can complain.....until then try some introspection.
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Focus on finding the girl that was meant for you and that Allah wants you to be with. Pray to Allah and trust him. If you focus on such things, it will be very hard for you. People change and islamically we are not supposed to judge people's past. I pray that you will inshallah find a wonderful girl.
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hes probably long forgotten about this thread lol. Its served its purpose and is now just taking up precious cyber space