Can I find a girl who hasnt had a pre marital

[Reha]

Re: Can I find a girl who hasnt had a pre marital

@doppelkopf

So you have dismissed my argument as useless, nonsensical and unsubstantial without even bothering to offer a coherent response. How constructive. If you don’t mind a little back and forth, with my assurance of no unnecessary hostility, I would find it most enjoyable to learn why I am wrong. But you can’t just tell me that my argument is useless, without giving a well-reasoned, logical counter response.

A tit-for-tat as you put it, was enough to prove your logical fallacy. You can name a few examples, I can name a few counter examples, and so can everyone else. It’s your word against mine, against everyone else’s. At the end of the day it does not prove anything. I don’t like religious people, I think they are hypocrites. But I have to admit that by practicing their religious beliefs alone, they are doing a lot of things right that I don’t. Can’t take that away from them. Why talk in absolutes. There is no single deed that will make you entirely pious, or entirely evil. There are no absolutes. And abstinence is no different. I never said that abstinence equates piety, I used the word demonstrates. It is a demonstration, an indication of morals, character and self-control.

No, it’s not an assumption. You conveniently chose to ignore the “all-else-being-equal” part. It was a statement. All else being equal, a virgin is more pious than a non-virgin. All else being equal, a virgin is more capable of resisting temptations. All else being equal, a virgin is better at self-control. All else being equal, a virgin is more firm in his/her beliefs.

Its your word against mine - not everyone else’s. I find the argument that virginity makes someone pious weird because it doesn’t. Plenty of virgins out there - are not religious nor pray or do anything religious with their lives. The state of virginity is not a state of holiness - lots of non-Muslims are virgins as well. Seriously? So what? You may find virginity a demonstration of high character, morals and self-control. I don’t. Why? Because all of this amazing self-control is supposed to do some GOOD in a human being. What good is your virginity if it doesn’t make you a better Muslim? A drinking virgin…ever seen one? I have. A virgin that doesn’t have sex but doesn’t pray either. Ever seen one of those? Yup, I have. Oh and the virgin that has literally saved only that part of herself - seen one of those too. This doesn’t mean all women or men that are virgins are like this or even majority. But enough for me to say that I cannot consider virginity a demonstration of character, morals and self-control.