Can I find a girl who hasnt had a pre marital

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Re: Can I find a girl who hasnt had a pre marital

@Reha

**This is a useless argument you’ve presented - it has no substance to it because all its doing is giving a tit for tat response. All I stated was I cannot accept abstinence as a deciding criteria for piety. It makes no logical sense. Does that seal the deal? Does your argument seal the deal? Such a strong response to something so simple. **

@Reha

Again more nonsense here - who asked you to assume anything?? The assumption is someone who’s had sex is not pious - so the rest of this para is another strong response to something so simple.

@Reha

**Correction - abstinence CAN demonstrate the above. It does NOT equate that. If you want to get mean about it then who’s to sat the virgin hasn’t done just about everything else aside from the actual act? Or what about those surgeries that are so popular in the middle east nowadays? **

**There’s a lot of gray area on BOTH sides my friend - which is why I say abstinence is NOT the deciding factor for me when it comes to piety. It simply isn’t because your faith is your belief in Allah swt. If you abstain from sex but make out and do everything else - its the same as reading namaz five times a day because your parents force you. Not because you believe in what you’re doing or even understand it.

That to me is not religion - its calisthenics on a rug.**

So you have dismissed my argument as useless, nonsensical and unsubstantial without even bothering to offer a coherent response. How constructive. If you don’t mind a little back and forth, with my assurance of no unnecessary hostility, I would find it most enjoyable to learn why I am wrong. But you can’t just tell me that my argument is useless, without giving a well-reasoned, logical counter response.

A tit-for-tat as you put it, was enough to prove your logical fallacy. You can name a few examples, I can name a few counter examples, and so can everyone else. It’s your word against mine, against everyone else’s. At the end of the day it does not prove anything. I don’t like religious people, I think they are hypocrites. But I have to admit that by practicing their religious beliefs alone, they are doing a lot of things right that I don’t. Can’t take that away from them. Why talk in absolutes. There is no single deed that will make you entirely pious, or entirely evil. There are no absolutes. And abstinence is no different. I never said that abstinence equates piety, I used the word demonstrates. It is a demonstration, an indication of morals, character and self-control.

No, it’s not an assumption. You conveniently chose to ignore the “all-else-being-equal” part. It was a statement. All else being equal, a virgin is more pious than a non-virgin. All else being equal, a virgin is more capable of resisting temptations. All else being equal, a virgin is better at self-control. All else being equal, a virgin is more firm in his/her beliefs.