Can I find a girl who hasnt had a pre marital

[Reha]

Re: Can I find a girl who hasnt had a pre marital

@doppelkopf

Since you didn’t find the definition precise enough, you conveniently chose to mold it to your liking? No one is completely evil, or pious. Even the worst of us have done our fair share of good deeds. How shallow of you to suggest that people who have constantly fought the temptation are not any better than the ones who haven’t just because you know a few virgins who aren’t pious enough otherwise. Should that seal the argument then? Well I know a few non-virgins who would stick a knife in your back at the first opportunity. There.

**This is a useless argument you’ve presented - it has no substance to it because all its doing is giving a tit for tat response. All I stated was I cannot accept abstinence as a deciding criteria for piety. It makes no logical sense. Does that seal the deal? Does your argument seal the deal? Such a strong response to something so simple. **

Why should we assume that abstinence is the only good thing a virgin has ever done, and the non-virgin is a saint of a person? How about an ‘all-else-equal’ comparison? Like me, a person doesn’t even have to be religious to find pre-marital sex wrong. I am a compulsive liar who believes in recycling, does it make me more pious than someone who doesn’t recycle? Is a pedophile who gives away millions to cancer research more pious than all of us combined then?

Again more nonsense here - who asked you to assume anything?? The assumption is someone who’s had sex is not pious - so the rest of this para is another strong response to something so simple.

Abstinence demonstrates character, morality and self-control. Like I said earlier, if they have done it in the past, what is stopping them from doing it again? How would you know that they have repented? You wouldn’t know. There is no way you’d know.

**Correction - abstinence CAN demonstrate the above. It does NOT equate that. If you want to get mean about it then who’s to sat the virgin hasn’t done just about everything else aside from the actual act? Or what about those surgeries that are so popular in the middle east nowadays? **

**There’s a lot of gray area on BOTH sides my friend - which is why I say abstinence is NOT the deciding factor for me when it comes to piety. It simply isn’t because your faith is your belief in Allah swt. If you abstain from sex but make out and do everything else - its the same as reading namaz five times a day because your parents force you. Not because you believe in what you’re doing or even understand it.

That to me is not religion - its calisthenics on a rug.**