Can Egypt like situation happen in India

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I agree with you 110 percent. The Pak army shouldnt even be within a mile of AZAD Kashmir (which is incidentally what Kashmiris in Pakistan call Pakistan Kashmir). So I suppose if Pakistans army left Kashmir today, you would be ready for a referendum tomorrow correct?

You obviously have moved ON. You have evolved your methods of oppression to such an extent, you would make the Nazis blush. Congratulation on doing such a wonderful job in murdering so many people, that your still considered a civilized nation despite your genocide!

Now do you have an argument that doesnt rely entirely on moral equivocation? Remember the problem is on your side. Its the people of Indian occupied Kashmir that are protesting and fighing for indepenance, not those of AZAD Kashmir. Pakistan is no saint, but how does that excuse human rights violation commited by your Army and your govt in occupied Kashmir?

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You all keep harping about the oppression/genocide in Kashmir. Its been proven multiple times that most incidents of the so-called oppression and genocide of Kashmiri people have been carried by Kashmiris themseves & foreign mercenaries/terrorists on the payroll of ISI. Yes, there have been incidents where the Indian army has been involved and those personnel have been dealt with appropriately. No army in the world has only saints in it, including your own army (remember the genocide of Bengalis).

That being said, neither Pakistan nor India want to let go of the parts that they control. If you guys are really serious about resolving Kashmir, vacate POK and then you will be in a better moral and legal position to pressurize India to hold a referendum. But till such time, all you will be able to do is spew empty rhetoric.

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India seems ripe for an Egypt-style eruption. Its parliament is frequently closed down by political rows, its governing coalition is rudderless and steeped in corruption, and the opposition is ineffective. More than 300m people live on a dollar a day or less, and there has been frequent regional unrest over the poor losing their land to rampant speculation and industrial development. Top judges and army generals have joined politicians and other officials in building up illicit personal wealth.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/02/11/india’s-protection-against-egypt-style-rebellions/

The young are restless and ambitious and, though many are enjoying an upwardly mobile lifestyle that their parents could only dream about when they were young, many are underemployed or just without work, even after some form of tertiary education. Those under 35 account for about 60% of the 1.1bn population and, like Egypt’s youth, they are heavily into electronic communications and social media. Some have not just one but two cell phones – there are over 750m mobiles in use in the country. A recent survey however suggests that the youth are “highly risk averse, more politically right-wingthan before, extremely socially conservative and disinclined to opt for rebellion”.
Land is most likely to trigger unrest, as has been seen in many parts of the country, notably in West Bengal’s violent eruptions that started four years ago over a Special Economic Zone (SEZ) at Nandigram and a Tata Motors factory at Singur. (Both projects were abandoned.)
The trouble starts with small farmers and landless labourers giving up landthey have held for generations. They often waste the small amounts they are paid and then see developers making massive profits in later deals. Tribal people lose their village land in mineral-rich forests and mountains to companies like Vedanta, a controversial UK-based mining company, and to many more Indian operators that move in illegally with the support of local politicians and officials.

Until now however, democratic forces have calmed protests, negating chances of a mass rebellion. West Bengal has had all the seeds for a popular uprisingafter 30-plus years of rule by an increasingly corrupt and self-serving Communist-based Left Front state government. The Nandigram and Singur unrest was encouraged for political reasons by Mamata Banerjee, leader of the regional Trinamool Congress opposition party, and was inflamed by Maoist Naxalite rebels. Democracy is now re-asserting itself and Banerjee hopes to oust the Left in state elections due in April Corruption is another potential issue, but millions of people enjoy the spoils down through the system to village level, so it arouses condemnation and protest marches, but not potential revolt. Anger about corruption is also defused by elections, which politicians frequently lose if they are perceived themselves to have benefited excessively.

Much is forgiven if there is development. Corrupt leaders of two parties, the DMK and AIADMK, have between them run Tamil Nadu state assembly coalitions continuously for 44 years. Operating in the style of Malaysia’s former prime minister Mahathir bin Mohamad, they have led strong economic, social and industrial development (including respectable SEZs). At the same time, their relations and friends have been awarded jobs and business contracts in the state and ministerial coalition posts in Delhi. This may not be ethical government, but it is a model of development that works.

The biggest threat is from Naxalites , who are active in a third of the country’s districts and conduct armed terrorist attacks that security forces have not been able to quell. The rebels thrive in tribal and other under-privileged areas where there is a lack of development and where India’s often-brutal security forces and forest officers harass the poor.

There are other major social issues, as well as ethnic and religious clashes, that cause often-violent riots, for which India is famous. But the size and diversity of this voluble and argumentative country makes it very difficult to build a unified view on anything, Protests usually peter out once the demonstrators have been placated with promises, or the vested interests that encouraged and facilitated them have achieved their political, monetary or other targets.
Since independence, no event has united the country in protest. There have been local uprisings for years in the far north-east states such as Assam and Nagaland, but this has have no resonance or impact elsewhere. Even 21 years of unrest in Kashmir has been largely contained to that state.

It looks therefore as if there is no prospect of Tahrir Square being replayed in Delhi’s majestic Raj Path that leads past parliament to the presidential palace, nor even in the traditional Jantar protest area off Parliament Street.

But, if democratic forces continue to fail to serve the people of West Bengal better, might the Naxalites draw closer to Kolkata’s Victoria Park that houses the monumental Victoria Memorial? That would be a neat location in the former imperial capital for an uprising by the poor about how badly they have fared since the British left.

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Looks like the discussion has turned into a Kashmir dispute issue and not the original question.

Thousands of miles toward east, the government of a billion people of India is also entangled in mammoth cases of corruption and financial malice. Middle-class that forms the urban majority is burdened with uncontrolled food price inflation. Around 60%, chiefly rural and semi-urban, survive on less than a dollar a day. Number of people below the threshold of poverty has increased in the last decade despite an economist head of the state.

http://www.morungexpress.com/right_column/62308.html

Corruption has blotted every corner of the cabinet. Scams of around $10 bn on accounts of the nineteenth Commonwealth Games and more than $38 bn in allocation of 2G spectrum to telephony companies have corroded public trust in Manmohan Singh led government to almost extinction. Politicians and entrepreneurs from India have stashed the heftiest sum of illicit money in tax-havens of Switzerland and Lichtenstein. Almost daily reports of newer misappropriations of public funds and political nepotism are worm-eating into citizens’ patience.
Streets of New Delhi have started being crowded with regular public rallies and demonstrations by both political opponents and apolitical forums. Retired administrators, ex-ministers, key clergies and social personalities are joining such protests. Baba Ramdev, a swami and yoga guru of pan-India fame, formed an anti-corruption organization under the banner of Bharat Swabhiman Trust (India Self-respect Trust) which is likely to turn into an anti-incumbency political party in near future. Chief opposition party BJP and minor bloc of the communists are often seen on the broadways against the government. The largest students unions and the largest labor unions of the country are co-incidentally affiliated to them. And there lies the seeds of possible mass-mobilization.

Added to all these, exist severe threats to India’s integrity from both inside and outside. Insurgent groups like the extreme leftists or Maoists of north-central provinces and Islamists of Kashmir are no lesser headaches than expansionist China and untrustworthy Pakistan outside. They will extract gains as much as possible if citizen’s grief is vented out through path of revolution.

India has every fuel of an Egypt-like uprising present in it. It is the inherent love for peace and faith in democratic system which is dampening repeated sparks to conflagrate a wildfire. Though this is our relief from the fear of the largest democracy getting derailed, there is no scarcity of reasons to worry. The combined size of political, semi-political and apolitical opposition in India is much larger than that of Ikhwan in Egypt. Cases of impropriety are heaping up against the government on a daily basis and democratic government must resort to corrective actions instead of hooking up to the throne; better late than never. It might not last its full term in spite of a majority in parliament. A reflection of Egypt is clearly visible in India. We can only pray for the transition in constitutional and not primordial way.

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Indians are too divided to stand for anything like that. Even during British advances in India, half of the people were supporting them and the rest were fighting them. This also happened during independence movement.

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Yeah... rather predictable garbage from a typically intellectually challenged Indian. Im sorry I ever wasted my time talking to you.

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I am sure name calling is a sign of great intellect where you come from :hoonh: Your problem is that you do not want to look at anything that even remotely contradicts the junk that you have been fed. Suit yourself, since I do not need to prove India’s ownership of Kashmir to you. We already control it.