All these secessionist movements are the genuine voice of the common people against Brahman terrorism. Except sick bihari states like UP, MP Rajastan and Bihar, every other states wants freedom from India. The situation in the Punjab, Assam, all NE states and Tamil Nadu is beyond control. In the south, the hyderabadi muslims are demanding Telingana state. In Pakistan there is no movement going on. Baluchistan is a RAW design.
I am not sure where you get your information from, but its factually incorrect. The only people who want freedom from India is "some" Kashmiris. And I say "some" because a lot of Kashmiris do not want freedom especially the Kashmiri pandits.
I am not sure where you get your information from, but its factually incorrect. The only people who want freedom from India is "some" Kashmiris. And I say "some" because a lot of Kashmiris do not want freedom especially the Kashmiri pandits.
Kashmiri Pandits are not Kashmiris. Kashmir belongs to only muslims.
I am not sure where you get your information from, but its factually incorrect. The only people who want freedom from India is "some" Kashmiris. And I say "some" because a lot of Kashmiris do not want freedom especially the Kashmiri pandits.
I dont know where you get your inforamtion, but "Some" Indians? Are you basing this assumption on the tired old argument that by voting in elections the Kashmiris have themselves accepted India? That line of reasoning has been thoroughly rejected.
If your so confident that most Kashmiris dont want independence, then why not allow them to reject it themselves in a proper referendum?
If the Kashmiri Pandits want to stay with India, then more power to them. But the majority apparently aren't as willing to acquiesce to the idea of being India.
You would be honoring the promise your own leaders made to these people by giving them the right to decide. I dont want to get into this debate with you, because it so redundant at this point, but at least stop misrepresenting the issue by claiming only "some" Kashmiris want independence, when you have no evidence to support this claim.
^ Kashmir is no different than any other state in India, and I don't see any reason for a referendum. My ancestors were forced to move from Lahore during partition - they were not allowed a referendum to choose where and how they wanted to live. Point is what happened in 1947 is done, whether someone likes it or not. The practical solution is to move forward.
^ Kashmir is no different than any other state in India, and I don't see any reason for a referendum. My ancestors were forced to move from Lahore during partition - they were not allowed a referendum to choose where and how they wanted to live. Point is what happened in 1947 is done, whether someone likes it or not. The practical solution is to move forward.
My family moved from Amritsar... dadajaan was born in Amritsar but left as a teenager. The partition was different. Britishers divided the country. The deal back then was to declare muslim majority areas as Islamic Pakistan and Hindu Majority areas as secular India. The agreement was that non-muslims would leave Pakistan ASAP as it is only for the muslims but muslims can stay in India. Despite that, many non-muslims(Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis, Ismailis etc.) still happily live in Pakistan while muslims get persecuted in India. Care to explain why is that?
The player and Javedk are two men with no knowledge on Kashmir and without justification shouldn't talk about situations beyond them.
I know a lot about Kashmir- It was not given to Pakistan during partition although it belongs to Pakistan since it is muslim majority. It was muslim majority then. I know for sure that Congress of India agreed to repatriate non-muslims in Kashmir somewhere else in India and hand over Kashmir to Pakistan but Kashmir had a Hindu King- bajjit sing or something and he knew that will happen. As a result, he went with India and congress went back on its promise.
^ Kashmir is no different than any other state in India, and I don't see any reason for a referendum. My ancestors were forced to move from Lahore during partition - they were not allowed a referendum to choose where and how they wanted to live. Point is what happened in 1947 is done, whether someone likes it or not. The practical solution is to move forward.
Your obviously an emotionally juvenile individual, who's driven more by bigoted nationalism then by reason.
Its different in that India occupied it by force and continues to do so to this day. The reason there should be a referendum is because Kashmiris hate India and want nothing to do with you. The Thousands of protesters and 20 years of uprising should be enough toc convince you that your not wanted.
What happned in 1947 is not done. Just because you claim it, is meaningless.
I could care less where your ancestors came from or where they went, but if they were forced to leave, then that's as wrong as Indians forcing Kashmiris to stay.
The ground reality is that today, your army occupies a territory that does not belong to it.
I know a lot about Kashmir- It was not given to Pakistan during partition although it belongs to Pakistan since it is muslim majority. It was muslim majority then. I know for sure that Congress of India agreed to repatriate non-muslims in Kashmir somewhere else in India and hand over Kashmir to Pakistan but Kashmir had a Hindu King- bajjit sing or something and he knew that will happen. As a result, he went with India and congress went back on its promise.
Any links or proof? What I have read or know is very different.
Well ask any Indian and they'll proudly tell you, "India is the largest democracy in the world!" The word democracy implies that Indians have some say in how they are governed. So it's unlikely an opposition movement to the government will have widespread support like it did in Egypt.
My family moved from Amritsar... dadajaan was born in Amritsar but left as a teenager. The partition was different. Britishers divided the country. The deal back then was to declare muslim majority areas as Islamic Pakistan and Hindu Majority areas as secular India. The agreement was that non-muslims would leave Pakistan ASAP as it is only for the muslims but muslims can stay in India. Despite that, many non-muslims(Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis, Ismailis etc.) still happily live in Pakistan while muslims get persecuted in India. Care to explain why is that?
Kashmir is a casualty of partition like so many other things. Blame the Britishers of whoever else you like, but what was done in 1947 is done. Its best to accept that and move on.
Your obviously an emotionally juvenile individual, who's driven more by bigoted nationalism then by reason.
Its different in that India occupied it by force and continues to do so to this day. The reason there should be a referendum is because Kashmiris hate India and want nothing to do with you. The Thousands of protesters and 20 years of uprising should be enough toc convince you that your not wanted.
What happned in 1947 is not done. Just because you claim it, is meaningless.
I could care less where your ancestors came from or where they went, but if they were forced to leave, then that's as wrong as Indians forcing Kashmiris to stay.
The ground reality is that today, your army occupies a territory that does not belong to it.
I could reply to you in a language that you would understand, but would rather not stoop to that level. I don't see any point debating this issue with you. As of today, India controls Kashmir and I dont see that situation changing for a long time to come.
I could reply to you in a language that you would understand, but would rather not stoop to that level. I don't see any point debating this issue with you. As of today, India controls Kashmir and I dont see that situation changing for a long time to come.
When your best response was to pout and repeat the same old Indian lies, then I doubt your someone even remotely capable of civilized debate.
I dont blame you though. The bottom line is that the Indian position is indefensible. So you like most Indians, being incapable of seeing the issue beyond your uber nationalistic mental box, resort to nonsensical bull to defend your countries illegal occupation.
Kashmir is a casualty of partition like so many other things. Blame the Britishers of whoever else you like, but what was done in 1947 is done. Its best to accept that and move on.
We can move on, but apparently Indians cant as they still refuse to let go of Kashmir. Kashmiris dont want you and thats abundantly clear. So why are you occupying them? Give them their freedom and stop clinging to the past.
We can move on, but apparently Indians cant as they still refuse to let go of Kashmir. Kashmiris dont want you and thats abundantly clear. So why are you occupying them? Give them their freedom and stop clinging to the past.
You talk about referendum/plebiscite, but your govt is unwilling to vacate POK which is one of the major preconditions for a plebiscite to take place. And don't worry about us moving on :) We have come quite far since 1947 and the entire world acknowledges it. Now why not focus your energy and attention inwards for a change ??
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