Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

Yes we don't give our own opinions in these issues but when a doctor prescribe some medicine we can at least do some research and take decision to take or not to take that medicine. If a doctor misdiagnose us what we lose.... just a teeth or may be little bit health. but what we lose when we are misguided by Scholars... We lose our Iman and Deen.

Allah has clearly said that We are here to explore the world then why don't we do research. Why we always depend on scholars to get answers. We have Quran-e-Pak and Sunnah and there is nothing complex. You can easily understand the Quran-e-Pak Translation and Ahadis. So why bother to go to scholars for every little matter. You never know who is write and who is wrong. I am not totally against Mullah culture but i believe in only few Scholars because others are just confusing. I have seen many families who follow some good scholars but they become so obsessed with them they start giving them equal status to Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W literally.

Opposite gender person is your Na Mehram and Islam is against any type of relationships with opposite gender. In fact Islam does not allow any brother sister relationship between two stranger (either they are cousins or friends) except blood relations. So friendships between boys and girls are not allowed in Islam.

Totally agreed here with you.

I am agreed here with you as well. Why we always emphasis on pardah for girls? I am not denying the importance of pardah in Islam but when it comes to Islam people starts mentioning pardah. Few days back i had a conversation with my school friend (male friend) on this pardah thing and i was saying why guys don't lower their gaze and he said that why we should if girls are exposing themselves in front of us. Long story short he blames totally bepardah girls. What i am tryng to say is that we need to change ourselves first either boy or girl. Islam does not enforce anything on anyone. But Islam has given us complete way of life and their pros and cons and its upto us what we accept or what not and we will be responsible for our own deeds.

p.s. Its just my own point of view... and it could be different for different people.

And yes i am very weak Muslim who doesn't follow Islam completely. May Allah guide us all on right path.

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman’s lifestyle and thoughts ?!

i didn’t (point a) finger you… you just assumed it automatically that it was directed at you…:shikra:

PS…if we go by this logic of yours…then nobody should ever say anything about islam since everyone is ‘guilty’ of not following it properly…

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

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Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

Inhaling and exhaling is only beneficial for those who have already implemented her principles in their lifestyle, because breathing is taking them closer to heaven. For others, every breath is a wasted warning that is pushing them towards the moment when the angel of death would break down their flow of breathing. Then, there would be a lonely darkness and the angels who don't find acceptable any other contrary principles.

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Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman’s lifestyle and thoughts ?!

I don’t think preaching to others like that (making them feel bad about themselves) really works. Enough Said.

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You’ve accused a few ppl of it in the past (and funnily enough always directed at girls)..

My point is stop bleating on about us girls ‘picking and choosing’ parts of Islam BECAUSE YOU ALSO DO THE EXACT SAME THING YOURSELF** (as illustrated by your millions of threads about girls staying with inlaws)
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As far as I know none of the girls on here have accused the guys of ‘picking and choosing’ the way you and one or two others have done..
(I would have kept my mouth shut if you weren’t accusing other ppl of it whilst conveniently forgetting you’re just as bad when it comes to this)..

Regarding the bit in blue I love how you love to regurgitate other ppls phrases constantly (in this case my own) without even understanding the meaning behind them or taking them totally out of context. That particular phrase I used was to illustrate the fact that another poster in another thread was saying something along the lines of if we don’t practise every part of Islam we weren’t entitled to an opinion - in that particular thread. My point here is totally different in that I’m focusing on you accusing girls of ‘picking on choosing’ when you constantly also do that yourself.

I bet this will go completely over your head tho so I don’t really know why I’m bothering..

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman’s lifestyle and thoughts ?!

^ All that effort into discussing my views :eek:…it would have been good if you focused your energy on the topic…

BTW…do let me know about ‘millions’ of threads i opened about living with in-laws…:hmmm:

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

Mr RAW is loose on the fatwas again. Hehehe
You should broaden your knowledge and scope a bit.
1400 years ago women did not need to come out the house.

Anyway carry on do.

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

Imam Ghazali once mentioned that he never had any problem in debates with the greatest Islamic scholars of his time. But he always got speechless & faced difficulties to debate in front of those who tried to debate with him while it was clear from their reasoning that they don't have any idea about the Islamic rulings about the topic under discussion.

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

  1. Are you comparing yourself with Ghazali?

  2. If you didnt want to debate us uneducated masses, why did you post this on Pakistani community forum?

Re: Can any Muslim dare to think against this woman's lifestyle and thoughts ?!

  • I don't think he/she said that they are Ghazali, why can't we just appriciate the fact that they are trying to spread some awareness for our religion. The purpose of the thread wasn't about gender or nikab, it was about lifestyle. Clearly no one has a problem disscussing her mother-in-law's problems and boyfriend cheating issues.

  • Pakistani community = Muslims (majority)

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    Where is Islam does it say you cant have friends of the opposite gender?
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    I am dying to search up all the Ayah's in the Quran that state and talk about mehram and non-mehram but I'll save myself some time.

    Where in Islam does it say you can't marry your brother? where in islam does it say you can't walk around nude? where in islam does it say we can't become prostitutes?.....carry on

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    You have to remember that everyone has different views, while some parts of the deen are clear (like
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    Where is Islam does it say you cant have friends of the opposite gender?
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    " there are still some things people have different views on. You can shove your ideas in people's face and expect them to accept it. It is also our pride that makes us think that we're superior to others who may not have the same knowledge or views.

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    Like the post and it's basic theme.

    (Except that the examples could be argued upon, but that does not matter)

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    Humans are more than sexual beings. There are other aspects of our lives more important than attraction and mating. But judging from most threads on this forum, relationships with the opposite gender seem to take a priority in Paki community home and abroad. Its sad that most cant control their desires.

    From my understanding Islam wants to prevent illicit relationships. Some people are capable of having relationships with the opposite gender without those relationships becoming illicit.

    I know Islam doesnt explicitly state you cant marry your brother, become a prostitute or walk around naked. Those are conclusions we draw from what Islam does state about Sharam and Hayya. Likewise, I can draw the conclusions that Islam wants you to keep a distance from the opposite gender to protect you from sin, however, that distance doesnt have to be so extreme where you only interact with the opposite gender only when a dire need arises.

    Like I said before those who are against any kind of relationships between men and women are those who find it hard to keep those kinds of relationships clean. But those of us who are capable, shouldnt be attacked.

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    No. We are all equally uneducated in this regard. (It is so easy to misunderstand ones intentions and give a wrong direction to any quote that one shares). The reason of sharing was that people who give statements without knowing the very basics would cause problems in a debate. The purpose of the quote was to say that one needs to do a bit of research about the basic (commonly known) matters in Islam before giving such a big statement.

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    You can shove your ideas in people's face and expect them to accept it. It is also our pride that makes us think that we're superior to others who may not have the same knowledge or views.

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    My ideas ?! Throughout I have been giving reference of one woman and her lifestyle. Btw, there are several matters in which people 'confidently' give their 'personal' opinion about a matter. Of course, that is considered just their personal opinion and not their shoving their own ideas in people's face. I never expected them to accept my ideas (as some people have disagreed to the doctor logic I used), yes I insisted that a Muslim SHOULD accept the lifestyle and thoughts of Hazrat Fatma (r.a). And of course, in response to that if anyone says:

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    1400 years ago women did not need to come out the house.
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    It would make me feel that the person is giving such a big statement without having knowledge about the lifestyle of the Suhabas (r.a)

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    You see, that is what I was trying to say in my previous post. You, me, all the people of this forum and all the Muslims of present age ummah are not even equal to the dust of a single Suhaba's feet. The cleanliness of their intentions after achieving "Imaan", their control of their desires,....etc. we can't even achieve 0.1 % of that. And above all, all their control and cleanliness of intentions together can't reach that of the Prophet (saw). If we read their lifestyles in detail, the need of going out for woman was more in that time than it is in present age, because they had to spread Islam from Makkah and Madina to the WHOLE WORLD. We are using worldly excuses for interaction of opposite genders, they didn't even use the 'spreading religion' excuses for it which is superior to worldly excuses.

    Hence, if the Prophet (saw) didn't practice interaction with na-mehrams, tried his best to avoid it and advised the Suhabas to do the same, then me and you have no right to come up with a different theory from our limited minds in present age.

    If we read their lifestyles a bit more in detail, we never find anywhere if the Prophet (saw) has said that this practice is only for present age people, 1400 years from now the generation is allowed to have such interactions because of any reason.

    No one can have a better excuse of interacting with na-mehrams than a Prophet who has to convey the teachings of Allah to the women also. Instead, he married 9 or 11 women so that they do interaction with women and not him.

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    ^If you read History you'll see that women did almost all sorts of jobs (even fought in battles) in Prophet(SAW) and Khulafa's days. But I guess you take your knowledge from Kazul Amal only.

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    ^ Whats kanzul amal ?

    Let me clarify what we are discussing here. Are we discussing *interaction with opposite gender * in perspective of just friends....etc. or something else ? I am not against women doing jobs or going out.

    @ topic. Anyways the topic has be dragged quite far away from the original concept of the thread. i.e. to follow the principles of Hazrat Fatimah (r.a). I wish few people could only acknowledge it instead of going into ifs and buts, running here and there.

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    What do you think interaction means? When you go out you interact with everyone automatically.