Re: can a Syed SUNII Girl marry a non-syed boy??
Message to All
Please refrain from using bad language on GS
Favoritism based on Lineage is about the most ridiculous thing but it happens all the time. Why do you think Royal families are so stuck up??
Syed fathers do not want to “pollute” the sacred blood by marrying their daughters into non syed families. The off springs will be non syed and thus not as worthy as syeds. Now a syed boy can marry a non syed girl because linege is from the guy but najeeb-ut-tarfain syeds remains the most desirable clan.
Peace diwana
First of all, when I meant 'good taste' I meant it in the way that you could have answered the question for me. So I was saying that you are able to decipher the very thing you are asking me for yourself, there is no reason to ask that question.
The next thing is from that hadith you say it is "her wish" that is important, and I say if it was a matter of "abolishing a bad practice" then this would not have been allowed. Now this is a matter of conflict between us, we won't resolve it at least acknowledge there is a basis for it, then we can move on.
Now what is it that Islam came to abolish? There are many seemingly ups and downs that Islam promotes not just this one ...
The up and down of husband to his wife, the up and down of mother to her children over father to his children, the up and down of learned to a lay man, the up and down of elderly to the youth and so on ... equality in the mind of the way the West has placed it will equate these two. Alhumdulillah it still has some respect for handicapped and elderly, familes over singles and so on.
The difference is that these ups and downs are role orientated and justice orientated. A slave is better than his master if he is more pious, but it does not say that the slave necessarily has to be free, however it is prefered to be this way.
Lineage is important. If we don't have regard for the lineage then we won't have knowledge of it ... and knowledge of it is important for the Mahdi will be from the family, just one example.
Instead of looking at it in a bad way think of this. That if only pious outsiders are allowed to marry into Sayyids that will bear towards the piety of the family as a whole.
Also, there is a talk about this very topic and your last conclusion is in it. The Shaykh said that it is a greater responsibility of a Sayyid to be pious than members of other families.
Ok I agree you understand men and women relationships ... you didn't have to answer that part by the way ... LOL
Peace to you bro
:) Regarding first paragraph of yours you had the chance to answer no but you did not. That is alright though.
You explained again the lineage in terms of allowing her RA to not marry the sahabi RA. I will repeat, if she had not protested, she would have been married to the sahabi RA. Allowing her not not marry the sahabi and marrying himself (the prophet SAW) still does not mean the lineage was the reason.
Herself RA and the prophet SAW were from different lineage.
And again: Syed and non-syed as not an issue there and does not apply to the example.
I do not think ANY argument will or can bring lineage as the reason for the prophet SAW to marry her RA and her not accepting the sahabi RA taken as ISlam condones the lineage as a valid reason to marry or not marry someone.
You touched very good point when you talked about the slavery.
Not strongly talking against slavery or preferring to make slaves free is a different issue. Will be glad to discuss at any time. Slavery is not lineage though. I am sure you know it.
Fortunately the slavery in the sense it was present centuries ago is abolished.
(Mark my words: 'in the sense it as present') ;)
However, this silly tradition of lineage still lingers on throughout the nations and religions around the world. :(
*Absolutely no benefit to mankind and impossible to think islam ever will try to promote it! *
I will still say: Islam does not in any way condone lineage to be considered a factor when one person decides to marry other.
P.S. Always a pleasure to discuss with you. Will be glad to change my point of view anytime when you bring stronger argument or position than mine...No one is perfect,, :)
:) Regarding first paragraph of yours you had the chance to answer no but you did not. That is alright though.
You explained again the lineage in terms of allowing her RA to not marry the sahabi RA. I will repeat, if she had not protested, she would have been married to the sahabi RA. Allowing her not not marry the sahabi and marrying himself (the prophet SAW) still does not mean the lineage was the reason.
Herself RA and the prophet SAW were from different lineage.
And again: Syed and non-syed as not an issue there and does not apply to the example.
I do not think ANY argument will or can bring lineage as the reason for the prophet SAW to marry her RA and her not accepting the sahabi RA taken as ISlam condones the lineage as a valid reason to marry or not marry someone.
You touched very good point when you talked about the slavery. Not strongly talking against slavery or preferring to make slaves free is a different issue. Will be glad to discuss at any time. Slavery is not lineage though. I am sure you know it.
Fortunately the slavery in the sense it was present centuries ago is abolished. (Mark my words: 'in the sense it as present') ;)
However, this silly tradition of lineage still lingers on throughout the nations and religions around the world. :(
*Absolutely no benefit to mankind and impossible to think islam ever will try to promote it! *
I will still say: Islam does not in any way condone lineage to be considered a factor when one person decides to marry other.
P.S. Always a pleasure to discuss with you. Will be glad to change my point of view anytime when you bring stronger argument or position than mine...No one is perfect,, :)
Peace diwana
There is no get out clause for Sayyids or non-Sayyids. We all need to be God-Fearing and strive towards piety. At least we agree on this. I have no desire to argue ... I'm just a lowly servant ...
Peace diwana
There is no get out clause for Sayyids or non-Sayyids. We all need to be God-Fearing and strive towards piety. At least we agree on this. I have no desire to argue ... I'm just a lowly servant ...
The feeling is mutual.
The learning never ends............:)
Peace to you bro.
Re: can a Syed SUNII Girl marry a non-syed boy??
So wait if our prophet got married regardless of anything, why would Allah stop us?
These are just stupid laws made by some Maulana who claimed himself Syed. No one even has proof of their descendant wit Prophet(pbuh)
Personally, it should be an honour to come from the lineage of the Prophet Muhammad and a greater honour to pass it on to the next generation. But that should a personal preference, and similiar to other preferences people have regarding education, wealth, age, nationality, it is not for other people to judge.
There is no haram/halal about it, it does not demean non-seyeds nor does it puport that seyeds are better muslims, that is not even relevant. Its simply the honour of the lineage, that and the sole practical distinction made by the Prophet (saw) was when sadaqa was not allowed for seyeds.
Re: can a Syed SUNII Girl marry a non-syed boy??
^ I agree with this
Personally, it should be an honour to come from the lineage of the Prophet Muhammad and a greater honour to pass it on to the next generation. But that should a personal preference, and similiar to other preferences people have regarding education, wealth, age, nationality, it is not for other people to judge.
There is no haram/halal about it, it does not demean non-seyeds nor does it puport that seyeds are better muslims, that is not even relevant. Its simply the honour of the lineage, that and the sole practical distinction made by the Prophet (saw) was when sadaqa was not allowed for seyeds.
Agree. :)
And that should be considered the sole reason to differentiate between syeds and non-syeds.
And you would probably agree that this sole reason to differentiate is based on not letting anyone to worry about the lineage at all when considering to be married and not giving the credit to the person at all based on the lineage only.
In fact this is to make sure that no one has pitiful feelings in his/her mind about syeds and it is to keep their dignity.
If a syed does bad deed, then that person can be and should be condemned, punished or at the least be treated just as anyone.
One should never marry a syed just because of the person being a claimed or true syed,.. and one should never be stopped for marrying a claimed or true syed *even if that person is not a syed. *:)