ultimately the bare minimum should be that they at least learn the English language, or take some sort of ESOL course yknow but i’ve seen plenty of immigrants getting the right qualifications and trying to adapt to the ‘british’ society which is more than i can say for some of the brit folks surviving off nothing but benefits in their council estate and finding any sort of excuse to not work, but obviously that doesn’t ruin the oh so amazing brit atmosphere. now that being said, immigrants shouldn’t be forced to adapt either…no wonder his comment on multiculturalism being failed on the eve of the EDL march received thumbs up from BNP/EDL. plenty of brits go abroad, live their life out there without learning an ounce of their history/language/culture but do their communities send out a vibe of discomfort and disjointedness? i lvoe the way he attacks Labour just because everyones coming down hard on him due to his public spending cuts and whatnot and he needs to find a way to ease up the public, fast. yah, by attacking the immigrants. he needs to understand the implications of his sentiments, and possibly reword it so it doesn’t attract the wrong sort of attention; i.e. BNP/EDL if he thinks he has a point to make.
^ yeah that's all fine and dandy, it's the fact that they create this so called "kind of discomfort and disjointedness" that has disrupted communities across Britain. which is pretty hypocritical considering the brits who can't even keep a job down and rely solely on benefits. because that is unity and comfort in a community?
He fails to understand what multiculturalism is all about… Integration of the society isn’t about all foreigners boycotting their culture and adapting to the very amazing brit culture… Gosh, who voted for him anyway?
It also isn’t about segregating yourself and trying to impose your customs on the Brits either, which unfortunately the Pakistani and Bengali communities are guilty of doing over there.
Britain is enough of a melting pot, compared to pretty much any other place out there. or as the term goes a great salad, everything maintaining its unique identity yet contributing towards the whole salad.
I see nothing wrong with the expectation that the immigrants to a country will be able to speak the language and integrate. I am not advocating assimilation, but integration.
Multiculturalism to you or I mean mutually existing and following traditions of one's own culture, but that is not what the issue is, the issue is when people have not adapted to their new home and must require special services on an ongoing basis which are a burden on society, because of one's refusal or lack of interest in this integration.
btw Naabigh, go over to baluchistan or sukkhar and see how much of a melting pot you are living in :)
It also isn't about segregating yourself and trying to impose your customs on the Brits either, which unfortunately the Pakistani and Bengali communities are guilty of doing over there.
and indian and caribbean.
or even the english (ask a scot about it sometime)
It also isn't about segregating yourself and trying to impose your customs on the Brits either, which unfortunately the Pakistani and Bengali communities are guilty of doing over there.
Really? How so?
I've seen desis being influenced by the western culture but never seen a gora becoming desified... so how exactly is their culture at risk?
The difference there is that the numbers have been lower and the differences in terms of religion etc low.
This is nothing unique, ask the italians and irish or even jewish ppl in US, or chinese or Japanese, how long it took to integrate. it takes time, and it takes efforts from the new communities as well as the old communities, for the former to adapt, and for the latter to accommodate. we simply can not use the excuse of BNP and other assorted jacque arses to say there is no issue with our communities not integrating, and at the same time BNP type folks can not just say that the social services etc have an issue because of immigrant communities. for every desi on the dole refusing/unable to integrate and be a productive member of society, you can find local louts :)
Actually Britian is a classic Melting pot… British means a mongrel mix of everything from Anglo Saxons to Senagalese… you cannot have a more diverse potpouri…
Seriously Cameron needs a good and on top of that he needs to do his homework before saying things that cause trouble… :nono:
Britain is enough of a melting pot, compared to pretty much any other place out there. or as the term goes a great salad, everything maintaining its unique identity yet contributing towards the whole salad.
I see nothing wrong with the expectation that the immigrants to a country will be able to speak the language and integrate. I am not advocating assimilation, but integration.
Multiculturalism to you or I mean mutually existing and following traditions of one's own culture, but that is not what the issue is, the issue is when people have not adapted to their new home and must require special services on an ongoing basis which are a burden on society, because of one's refusal or lack of interest in this integration.
btw Naabigh, go over to baluchistan or sukkhar and see how much of a melting pot you are living in :)
well - why compare apple with oranges ? Instead of Baluchistan and Sukkar - you know how much a melting pot , our bigger cities like karachi , lahore and islamabad are : you can find people from all the over country living in these three cities ... but that's not the debate !
and in my initial post on this topic I did state that I agree with the stance taken by David Cameron on these immigration related issues ... I echo his voice for tight immigration policies and control ... to make Britain the place it has been for decades ...
But you do have to take the size and cultural norms of a particular area in consideration - when we talk about migration policies ...
Britain has reached a level - where now it could only take people in - who would be beneficial to their economy and willing to integrate in British society ... a total opposite to migration pattern of 70s and 80s
But since creation of the new EU states - UK has had a way different and strict policy for Eastern Europeans - so in a sense they have never been a problem for UK in comparison to the other European countries - such as Ireland , France and Germany ..
and on top of that he needs to do his homework before saying things that cause trouble… :nono: