Are we allowed to say that…personally i was talking to another guppy and we both said how we could never call someone that…i mean why not just refer to them as non-muslim or something?
Its just strange in rude manner to see people refer to others as kafirs…yea sure they are non- believers but saying kafir sounds strange no?
Speaking as a non-muslim, I don't mind being called kafir because the term is only used by people whose opinions I don't respect anyway.
Using the term only demonstrates the person's ignorance and feelings such as fear, jealosy and inadequacy.
Stu………pid. Don’t give them any ideas. If they found out that you don’t mind being called Kafir, they will start calling you something else. Just keep quiet.
kaffir, heathen, goyim, icchantika, infidel, nastika..who cares
Lily
don't be shy they are very happy to call you terrorist, fanatic, extremist, bomber and any other insult so calling them a kafir if they are one is very polite compared to some of the things they call muslims
Kafir
a person who refuses to submit himself to Allah (God), a disbeliever in God.
does it mean aetheist? or who is not a muslim.
"does it mean aetheist? or who is not a muslim."
Good question, I assumed non-muslim, i.e. someone who doesn't believe that Mohammed was his messenger.
Offensive.
A Xhosa.
often kaffir Used especially in southern Africa as a disparaging term for a Black person.
Kafir A Nuristani.
also kaffir Islam. An infidel.
infidel
\In"fi*del\, n. One who does not believe in the prevailing religious faith; especially, one who does not believe in the divine origin and authority of Christianity; a Mohammedan; a heathen; a freethinker.
Note: Infidel is used by English writers to translate the equivalent word used Mohammedans in speaking of Christians and other disbelievers in Mohammedanism
First of all, rvikz dude, there is no such thing as “Mohammedans” or “Mohammedanism”. While followers of Jesus Christ call themselves as Christians, the followers of Prophet Muhammad (Sallalah o Alaihay Wassalam) are called Muslims and the religion is called Islam. Get this straight.
Second on the issue of “Kafir”, this has been debated and clarified a number of times, just to reiterate, here is an old post. Some relevant cut and pastes are as follows (it was originally posted by Mr PartyPooper):
“Every Kafir is a non-Muslim, but not every non-Muslim is a Kafir.”
The above statement quite neatly captures my view on this subject. This remaining post elucidates upon why I believe this is so…
OK… here we go… another cut&paste job!
“Kaafir” in the Arabic language means “rejecter”. The term “Kaafir”, normally taken to be synonymous with “non-Muslim” or “non-believer” is quite different from the two terms. A “non-Muslim”, obviously, is a person who does not adhere to the Muslim faith. Thus, all those who do not ascribe to the Muslim faith are “non-Muslims”. A “non-believer”, generally used for a person who does not believe in God and the Day of Judgment. “Kaafir”, on the other hand, is a person who knowingly rejects the truth. A person may not believe in some ‘truth’ for a number of reasons. For instance, he may not be fully convinced of some aspect of that ‘truth’ or he may have some doubts in his mind regarding that truth. However, if all doubts are removed from his mind and he becomes fully convinced of that truth, yet he persists in not accepting it or persists in ascribing to a wrong belief after becoming certain of its incorrectness, he then becomes a “Kaafir” and is no longer just a “non-Muslim” or a “non-believer”.
In other words, all those people who persist in not accepting Islam after being fully convinced that Islam is the true religion of the Almighty or persist in ascribing to a false belief after being convinced of its incorrectness are “Kaafirs” or rejecters of the truth. All others for our purposes are “non-Muslims” or “non-believers”.
This explanation, if considered closely, should clarify the fact that we cannot call anyone a “Kaafir” unless we have absolute knowledge of the reasons for his rejection of faith (or Islam), which we do not possess. Thus, for the purpose of this world, we should not call anyone a “Kaafir”. It is only God, Who with His absolute knowledge can declare someone a “Kaafir”. No one besides God possesses the knowledge that is essential to declare someone a “Kaafir”.
may be it simply means arab non-believer . in koran there is no mention
of india or china. i amsure prophet mohamed knows such a large
population existed. there was trade between both regions 1000 years
before prophet was born.
Perhaps the thing God perscribed is Islam for Muslims. Judism for Jews. And Christianity for others.
I don't think God makes mistakes.
I think its people that make mistakes.
Agree? or Disagree?
literally, in arabic kaafir is the word that is also used for farmer who burries seed in the ground.. so when a person burries the seed of iman in the heart and rejects islam, the person is a kaafir... simple? no need for articles!
*literally, in arabic kaafir is the word that is also used for farmer who burries seed in the ground.. so when a person burries the seed of iman in the heart and rejects islam, the person is a kaafir... simple? no need for articles! *
Q? did Mohammad actually say this? Even though God is in every thought while they bury those seeds?
OR was it something interpreted? Nothing wrong with a farmer burying seeds in my thinking.
AvgGirl
Besides? How would one know if they thought Islam correct, yet rejected? Unless it was God himself? And wouldn't God judge a person on merit, belief and behavior? Rather than the way one prays?
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Perhaps the thing God perscribed is Islam for Muslims. Judism for Jews. And Christianity for others.
I don't think God makes mistakes.
I think its people that make mistakes.
Agree? or Disagree?
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Islamically speaking Judaism and Christiany were the early phases of Islam that were given to children of Israel (Bani Isreal) according to the time in which they were living and according to the understanding their brain could have (evolution was in its way due to expereince of the world) ... The basic beliefs were the same.. God can never change, Angels like Jibraeel (Gibrael) is still the same... BUT the laws to follow in this world were according to the time they were in..
and present Islam came to complete the Religion! This is what islam says about it! and thus, it is for all humanity as ALLAH addresses in Quran in 40 places directly to all mankind, regardless of faith!
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**literally, in arabic kaafir is the word that is also used for farmer who burries seed in the ground.. so when a person burries the seed of iman in the heart and rejects islam, the person is a kaafir... simple? no need for articles! *
Q? did Mohammad actually say this? Even though God is in every thought while they bury those seeds?
OR was it something interpreted? Nothing wrong with a farmer burying seeds in my thinking.
AvgGirl
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ANS. This is how when we read the word kafir in quran, it makes sense with this meaning if we completely look into all ayaat and make cross references to each other as Prophet (saw): "Al Quran O youfassiro hu baadahu bay ba'ad" meaning one part of quran explains the other part and we miss any part regarding a matter, we end up in out-of-context realm and thus wrongly understanding the issue and mis interepreting it:) and yes this is how many companions of Muhammad (SAW) explain teh word as they were taught by him...
Present Islam? Sinse 1400 years ago?
Nothing has changed?
Stoning for instance?
:)
What about not changing the words of God? I think that is written in the bible someplace.
I think it means that you cannot change Gods commands to your own liking.
I think it pertains to the 10 commandments.
The 10 holy commandments, that we all are supposed to follow? And that i think we all believe and strive for?
AvgGirl
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Besides? How would one know if they thought Islam correct, yet rejected? Unless it was God himself? And wouldn't God judge a person on merit, belief and behavior? Rather than the way one prays?
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this is the problem that every thing comes to individual and rituals .. this is what is happening when the real islam is just made few rituals....
If we read surah Luqman, there is a clear indication that ALLAH has put basic understanding of good and right in humans already.. and every one know what he/she is doing is right or wrong according to Quran. So, whoever wants to be guided, when hear the real message of Islam, it must strikes the heart as by having good things within oneself and by pondering one must reach the conclusion that there is only ONE GOD as we see Aristotle BUT quran talks about Luqman too who came to the same conclusion.. the only requirment is that the person is honest with him/herself...
when it comes to prayer, it is indivdual and must be observed but islam is not a religion of individuals.. it is not islam if state and religion are separated... islam is a way of life for socio-economic-politcal system.. it requires it dominance and it laws to be observed on the face of earth.. otherwise, it is incomplete islam.. and if the laws are not functional then struggle (jihad) for that is must on every muslim in whatever way it can be... it is not obligatory on muslims to enforce the laws but to struggle to do so is obligatory... as ALLAH teaches in a Quran that laws will be enforced only be His will whenever He wants it but struggle must go on..
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Present Islam? Sinse 1400 years ago?
Nothing has changed?
Stoning for instance?
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Absolutely! and can not be changed... how dare u change something on ur own desire that God has given to you? it is just jews who can fight with god for their desires...
So you believe in stoning a women? Or anyone?
Even though Jesus (who you also believe in? as one from God?)
Forgave Mary Magdalene, and asked those people ready to stone her to dealth...
"May those without sin to cast the first stone?"