Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Let the stakeholders from Sindh demand first like ppl of Hazara, Bahawalpur, Multan.
define the 'stakeholders' please....
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Sure. MQM should demand division of Sindh.
Let MQM demand in clear words instead of through wall chalking and that with a reason. That reason should not be like that they are the owners of the city which Na'ooz Billah feed all Pakistan. They should come up with quantifiable benefits that would accrue to stakeholders instead of giving general statements as their practice is in respect of other matters.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
They should come up with quantifiable benefits that would accrue to stakeholders instead of giving general statements as their practice is in respect of other matters.
Says WHO?
But in either case, there are actually more reasons to free Karachi from Larkana waderas than those from southern Punjab or Hazara.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
define the 'stakeholders' please....
Public at large from all ethnic groups my dear!
Division should not be due to any political benefits that accrue to politicians and not to the public. The Division should not create boundaries between ppl on ethnic basis and it should be divided once allegations like Jinnah Pur have been properly investigated.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
^but public need a true representative.......or directly you would need referendum.......both of which can't possibly be expected to be fair here .....
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Similar "quantifiable benefits" as those brought up from Saraiki speaking southern Punjab and Hindko speaking Hazara? Sure.
Why you forgot 'Bahawal Pur' where ppl are demanding restoration of status prior to One-Unit. BTW Saraiki belt and Hazara division ppl have reasons to demand for separate provinces and there is no such demand in Sindh including from MQM who opposed it in February 2011 after Shahbaz Sharif's statement and then Hyder Abbas Rizvi also opposed any such demand. If they have felt demand for separate province just after clash with PPP, it can't be justified as a demand for public interest.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
^but public need a true representative.......or directly you would need referendum.......both of which can't possibly be expected to be fair here .....
Let ppl speak through media or surveys and it should not be done in haste considering there is no specific demand from ppl of Sindh until now. I never heard public discussing need for this.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Public at large from all ethnic groups my dear!
Division should not be due to any political benefits that accrue to politicians and not to the public. The Division should not create boundaries between ppl on ethnic basis and it should be divided once allegations like Jinnah Pur have been properly investigated.
First of all, Urdu speakers are not one ethnic group. So there goes this argument.
Secondly, about Jinnah Pur and politicians and public and stuff, if this is the concern then divide Sindh in northern and southern parts, similar to what is being suggested about Punjab.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Says WHO?
But in either case, there are actually more reasons to free Karachi from Larkana waderas than those from southern Punjab or Hazara.
Its not a game between PPP and MQM. PPL from all over Pakistan have stake in Karachi and they don't like MQMs attitude to consider this city as their jageer.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Why you forgot 'Bahawal Pur' where ppl are demanding restoration of status prior to One-Unit. BTW Saraiki belt and Hazara division ppl have reasons to demand for separate provinces and there is no such demand in Sindh including from MQM who opposed it in February 2011 after Shahbaz Sharif's statement and then Hyder Abbas Rizvi also opposed any such demand. If they have felt demand for separate province just after clash with PPP, it can't be justified as a demand for public interest.
Let MQM demand then.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
First of all, Urdu speakers are not one ethnic group. So there goes this argument. Secondly, about Jinnah Pur and politicians and public and stuff, if this is the concern then divide Sindh in northern and southern parts, similar to what is being suggested about Punjab
This way MQM won't have full control of southern province, Urdu speakers won't be majority, and people like you won't be able to put forward fantastical excuses like Jinnah Pur which was proven a figment of imagination of some** army personnel when they went on killing spree in Karachi in 92.** .
If army was that bad for Karachi, why MQM is inviting army again in Karachi. Momin ek bil se doosri dafa kiyun apna aap daswa raha hai?
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Let MQM demand then.
Wy not! Let MQM show what it is. Let ppl of Sindh see their real face more openly.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Its not a game between PPP and MQM. PPL from all over Pakistan have stake in Karachi and they don't like MQMs attitude to consider this city as their jageer.
Now sparks are coming off your brain. Shorting?
Why would people from ALL OVER PAKISTAN have stake in Karachi and Karachi alone? What is important is what people of the city want.
If Karachi is not MQM's jageer than Karachi is also not the jageer of blood sucking waderas from Larkana and Nawabshah.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Wy not! Let MQM show what it is. Let ppl of Sindh see their real face more openly.
Real face? What's wrong with demanding division of Sindh?
And who are these "ppl of Sindh"? You seem to be inadvertently agreeing with me that "ppl of Sindh" are different from people of Karachi.
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If army was that bad for Karachi, why MQM is inviting army again in Karachi. Momin ek bil se doosri dafa kiyun apna aap daswa raha hai?
Army leadership has changed.
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Now sparks are coming off your brain. Shorting? Why would people from ALL OVER PAKISTAN have stake in Karachi and Karachi alone? What is required is what people of the city want.
If Karachi is not MQM's jageer than Karachi is also not the jageer of blood sucking waderas from Larkana and Nawabshah.
Pashtun majority in Karachi is the reality that MQM has to accept instead of not considering them as stakeholder or people of city. I accept Waderas of Nawabshah and Larkana are blood sucking but MQM has also history in bloodshed. MQM is also not represented by saints.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Army leadership has changed.
Oh. I forgot Mushy, jisne MQM main ek nai rooh phoonki thi. Tabhi to AH ne wardi wale saddar ki itni support ki.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
New provinces should be supported by everyone. The more Islamabad/Rawalpindi loses powers, the more Pakistan will become stronger.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Real face? What's wrong with demanding division of Sindh?
And who are these "ppl of Sindh"? You seem to be inadvertently agreeing with me that "ppl of Sindh" are different from people of Karachi.
I'll never agree to consider ppl of Karachi as different from other Sindhi ppl. For me ppl of Karachi are as Sindhis as others. Its MQM and its supporters who always play victim card and coined terms like 'interior Sindh' to distinguish ppl from others.
I don't have any issue in Division on administrative basis, but I do oppose the way demand is being made. In February MQM opposed the diviison, in June there was wall chalking for separate province by unkown 'Ihliyan e Karachi' and MQM has not issued a clear statement against this which lead to statement from Mirza followed by equal statement by AH to equalise the score. Result more hatred more boundaries.
BTW, you or Khan15 made a promise for a clear statement by MQM for or against separate province. What happened to that.
Re: Call for Dividing Punjab - Making New Provinces
Wy not! Let MQM show what it is. Let ppl of Sindh see their real face more openly.
You are implying as if calling for a province is sin, it is not considered as sin/crime when Seraikis want it, not sin/crime when people of Bhawalpur want it, but as soon as division of Sindh comes up it becomes a crime/sin, why?