Cafe thread quality and standards

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Its evident enough and don’t ask me to provide it. Check the cafe forum and you’l see the relevence of topics/contents/language and social and moral misiterpretation of islamic/social cultural values. Mostly from member Impulse and Phatima1.
The later being an underage member seems to just follow the flow,without pondering on the Seriousness of the subject matter.
I’m refering to religion related topics and thread bumping/flooding double nicks and single liners.

2ndly the subject of ‘Guys’ ‘Guys’ and more ‘Guys’, No wait! These are no ordinary guys,rather the guys this member loves to talk about and was/is in “relationship” . So what do I care,its a free world.!!

But every now and then specially when you log in , you see another thread starring at you, more guys then “liz taylor” ever had , :smack2:
No matter what you do, how you do, you’r bound to say some thing that don’t go down nicely with the person. Thus opens a can of worms and enimity starts.

It has gone as far as my computer being swamped with illegal email traffic from Gupshup archives and few melicious emails finding their way from Gupistan.org and more.
I have already provided DNA’s copies of such matters with pending responce.

In the mean while MODS can answer this question for me,
Have the rules of the cafe or other forums changed towards an ‘Open’ rated non family forum mellow drama?

Is it OK for Mods to instead of moderating a forum join in to show their solidarity with the controvercial thread opener? Endorsing the views by their presence alone? which often seen as humiliating to the person who objects .

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who will read this? :yawn

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Gupshup has always tryed to be as much lenient as possible for everyone, their diffrent views and their right to express it. This is exactly why u wont find all threads being of ur tatse.

If u dont like “Guys” (& i m sure u dont) or certain guppies, dont hit their threads, simple is that. And GS provides u a option if members can send u an email, its ur resposibility to set it as u like.

Now, talking about Morals, Islam, Culture etc, not very long ago i remeber removing ur post, targeted to a female member, & it crossed all the limits of morals, cultural values & islamic teachings in just 2 lines. Pardon me but its a bit difficult for me to digest this post comming from u.

PS: Okay I will PM all the MODs to please join only Raindance in his threads and show their solidarity. Happy now?

:bravo:

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Let's start buliding up quality and standard now.

Will you put the first brick Raindance?

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Raindance,

I understand that you sent me a PM showing your concern over this issue and you mentioned both members' names in the PM as you did here. I will give you a similar reply here that I gave you in the PM: First, it's not nice to point fingers. Second, as Jony said, we all have different taste. What may be boring for you may be interesting for someone else. Yes it gets annoying when you see 5+ threads by different people on the same topic but sometimes you just have to ignore and move on. The easiest way you can do is by putting yourself into other person's shoes. Just think if you had a long day and you opened a silly thread to relax and we come lock it just because it's not according to our standards and taste, how would you feel? Not good.

Jony has pretty much covered everything and I don't want to repeat the same thing. But what I will say is this: If you don't think the quality of the threads in café, or on gupshup, is not of your standards, you can do 2 things about it.

  1. Open threads, criticize others, point fingers, fight, go round and round in circles.
  2. Ignore. Open threads that you think are of good quality in your opinion and try to influence others and be an example. Lay the foundation and let others build the building.

You choose.

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Jony and shikra, Its very easy to ignore, but the question is will there be any improvement in standards ?

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^
Ik um'r guzri hai iss dasht kee saiiyaahee maiN

:-)

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No. There will not be any improvements unless/until we:

  • stop pointing fingers at each other
  • stop asking each others to do it first
  • stop waiting for OTHERS to step ahead
  • ourselves step ahead and start working to change the quality.

Let me burst your bubble: It will not happen overnight by one person. It’ll take some time and everyone will need to work to improve it. Just because others are doing something stupid, that doesn’t give you (in general) the excuse to join them instead of showing them what should be done.

I’ve seen the same people who are joining Raindance now to point fingers opening nonsense threads that do not make any sense whatsoever. We can delete all the “nonsense” threads and just let the “good” ones stay, but you would have to define what’s good and what’s bad? And trust me, the day we just let the “good” ones stay, people will stop opening threads at all. This comes down to what I said earlier: It depends on everyone’s taste and mood, as it is different than others. One day you may be feeling down and serious and you open serious threads and then the next day the mood changes, you open silly threads just to joke around with your friends. I don’t think that will work out, what do you think?

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I do admit that the spammer and some members had a better of me and I had to summerize my concerns and Shikra/JonyBr and DesiMunda have very helpful and forecoming with assitance and all.

The reason some roughly composed points in my above post got the mention was to bring ONE vital observation (not only mine but of others too) that ‘Quality’ is declining and may be the rules and regulations need a makeover. , You may blame me for that if you want to humour us,but

There is no harm in 'Revisiting some of the rules and regulations that were painfully prepared I’m sure. Moderate your forums according to the subject matter and start screeing the shadow threads intended for wrongful intentions (evidence provided) ,Craps! This already sounds like pit talk to the mods,hell , this suxs,:smack2:

I don’t ask you (mods) for the world nor do I seek your sympathy or praise.

Shikra If you realy need to know then hear this that I dleted a PM from this member that resulted in my “honour *****G” remark,I’m not stupid to use that kind of lingo unless provoked, I have traveled the globe and do speak quite a few,without evr misusing one ,:alhamd: thus deleted evidence don’t need mention is my rule.

We are all humans and prone to errors, I admit mine and you (mods) may admit yours as you might have shown negligence in controlling few and a religious topic thread in cafe,that end up more like a flooding joke thread***,Is it allowed to speak during azan*** and another one I can not trace/paste the exact replica right now,.

:elmo:

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except for couple of offtopic remarks here in this thread: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=182191

I actually see quite a wise conversation and sharing of to the point references otherwise.

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Raindance, did you pay to join this site?

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That’s what I am asking. What is quality? Define it, show it, do something :frusty:

I don’t know your age, but I am 22. When I joined gupshup 3 years ago, I was 19. I used to open silly threads. Now that I go back and look at those, I say “God, I was silly” to myself. Now I don’t do that anymore because I’ve grown up and am maturer than what I was 3 years ago. My point is: We all grow up. Those people who are opening those silly threads are mostly teenagers. They are still young and they have fun their way. Afterall, that’s what cafe’s for. If one is looking for something serious, general is there.

Regarding the Azaan thread you brought up: I will speak for myself. I am not online 24/7. When I logged on to gupshup, that thread had already gotton its answer and was down to about 15 replies. I had 2 options:

  1. Move it to religion. No point in doing that because it already got the answer. It has so many silly replies. Some people were having fun while some were providing references to prove their point. Had I moved it to Religion, it would bring the “quality” of religion down even more and it would’ve ended up back in cafe anyway.

  2. Let it stay in cafe because the thread starter didn’t have any problems with the replies. No one was being disrespectful to Azaan or religion in that thread. It had cafe type light replies in it.

I chose option # 2. Which one would you have chosen?

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---------cvabn---------
don’t be so naive. whats the relevance here?

i am tried
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Shikra ! It’s my bad. And I was being little lazy in providing you with more examples of ‘Cafe’ threads. Few being on the religion subject matter and some on Ethnic rational issues.

A Punjabi hate thread to a Person hate thread by nickname, a Shia-Sunni thread (which could have been avoided by the author via a direct question to the site owner) But the purpose was non other then creating a conflict and the collision course.

To me Quality is in the subject matter that I may wish to discuss with my family members over the breakfast table or coffee & muffin.

For other hardcore issues I would switch tables to other forums. Period

Age has no bearings on the quality. In fact younger you are the faster you learn the rules, be creative. Bring indigenous ideas, use your sense of humor, show curiosity to your surroundings, organize your local Guppy meets,sky is the limit.

Ps; A Uni going age 27 is not a teenager IMO - specially the one who brags about ‘relationships’ every now and then - Ref= several Cafe threads, helloo?

If one chooses to bring their ‘sensitive personal issues’ and chooses cafe for it then they must bear in mind the quality of responses they must expect, and respect the opinions without agreeing to any. Not to invade the privacy of one’s computer or send a swat team in retaliation.

I would have chosen the Opt # 3 (not given).

Correct the root cause, set the momentum, and encourages the quality thread openers by interaction, provide a ‘soft guideline’ for new comers, Praise them for their Good and discourage “one liners”. Discourage double nicks, and I have mentioned all this before, only If you can be more rceptive.

I know you guys are already under tremendous stress and pressure and cannot be on the forums 24/7. Whether Old or New, members are willing to cooperate as long as the 'bearings are corrected/adjusted ’ every now and then by soft reminders.

After all its a fun place to be, and has the Pakistani culture as its default backdrop.

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AQ I am surprised that you did not notice - Shia-sunni / I hate Punjabi / Karachi walay and similar threads in cafe,?

Thank you for your endorsment! So its Ok to have such topics in cafe? Must inform the new members then. And If I seek a reference in future I will search in ‘Cafe’ not in ‘Religion’
Lets re-invent the archive system.

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First, I would to say this: The threads you are talking about were opened by Impulse and Phatima. You seem to have problems with their threads, so I think it’s more like a personal issue than cafe’s threads quality issue.

Now, allow me to paste the descriptions of Cafe and General.

GupShup Cafe´
Welcome to Gupshup Cafe´, your virtual retreat at the GUPLAND. If you’re new to these forums, just introduce yourself and you’ll be having fun in no time.

General
This is the forum for your general conversation. Share your interest, ideas, your dreams (about other guppies) or discuss anything not related to above or below forums.

As it appears, cafe is for introduction, congratulations, all the best, and light humor. If someone is looking for serious discussions, general is for that. That doesn’t mean that anytime someone opens a thread asking a question, mods should move it somewhere else. No. If someone is asking a good question and it’s a good discussion topic, then it can stay in Cafe.

Having said that, now let’s talk about the threads you mentioned. Impulse opened the thread about punjabi people/karachi people. Here’s the link.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=179271

In the beginning, people were sharing their experiences with punjabi or karachi people, which was fine. But then came some people and starting the mud slinging and inappropriate language. Some replies were removed, some were edited, and when the situation got out of hand, the thread was locked by me.

Shia and Sunni thread? Please provide the link because I don’t remember seeing such thread. If that was in some other forum, then lets not discuss it and focus on the original concern.

Now lets take a look at your solutions.

Restrict double nick —> No matter how many nicks a person has, having different nicks will not make him/her a better person. The person him/herself will have to change. If Shikra hates you, I can guarantee you that Sohail A will hate you as well.

Discourage one liners ----> What are one liners? Some examples? Those are the little things that bring smilies on peoples faces. If you come home and log onto gupshup and find no activity because there were no funny threads, all “good quality” threads, I think it’ll be boring because you know yourself how many serious posts you see in cafe. It’ll be even more dead from whatever it is right now. Then people will complain cafe is dead and it’s no more fun. Once again, if you don’t like the author/threads opened by him/her, skip it and click on the next thread.

Soft guidelines ----> Do you remember the time when we asked members not to open threads on ever 1000 increment of posts and all that? I am sure you remember what the reaction was. I don’t know what you consider soft guidelines but if you provide me some guidelines, we sure will look into it.

Overall, you raise valid points, but we already know all that. We don’t need another person pointing fingers at something we already know. We need the solutions. Give us some examples of what “good quality” in your eyes is. Give us some examples of what “soft guidelines” are. We’ll go from there.

awww meri...
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I mean you seem to be unhappy with a few Postees and want change…

Why does it bother you if it doesn’t bother the owner of the site…

Let people have fun…

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^^
No
No
& sure but mutual tolerance is the virtue and the 1st rule of a succesful debate.
Otherwise gaye bhainse paani mai,,,

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actually Islam does not need to be bound to any forum, I believe. It’s a universal religion and I very much believe that restricting it from certain forums is as if you are muslim in one forum and not in others.

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AQ Bhai,

I would not use the term 'bound' or 'restricted' I was more inclined towards the 'organizing' part of it.
Religious views and debates are no exception and do require more sensitive and understanding audiences. If you like to see them across the board then the rules should be revised.

The nearest example I can give is via this phrase "Organizing your closet" for easy access.
Or
Finding a reference book in your local library shelve. And praise the librarian for a good job after you find it.

Discussions and debates that can be suited for more mature grounds to allow an easy merge on a conclusive End, without providing any breeding ground for would be evil elements.

Having said that GS has not invented the 'Forums' and it’s not a rocket science neither restricted to any level of thought, be it religion as you might say.
It’s all over the web and a standard benchmark issue.

I don't think we can ever understand the term 'Quality' through sporadic views here.

However I thnaks you guys and Shikra for the insight, as now I have what I was looking for.
My concerns here are now addressed and I'm a step plus with 'New' knowledge.

:D