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Re: By 2025 30% of the population will be muslim
For the sake of discussion, do we really need a Muslim-friendly holiday resort in the UK? Malaysia is over 60% Muslim so they can afford to build and profit on such a resort all year round. But Britain, with a much lower Muslim population, isn't it accommodating enough as it is? There's plenty of halal food stores and restaurants, I've heard the Pakistani ones don't even serve alcohol, so finding such a place to dine shouldn't be too hard for any Muslim. Plenty of mosques to pray in, lots of family-friendly activities for the tourists are available too...
Re: By 2025 30% of the population will be muslim
For the sake of discussion, do we really need a Muslim-friendly holiday resort *in the UK? *.........
Why not?
Not sure if I really understood what you meant by this.
**All resorts and hotels etc. should accommodate all religious people.
*You said 'a'. *
Does this mean you would be opposed to even ONE such resort?
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Having plenty of halal food places elsewhere does not guarantee that the resorts have all the basic amenities or dietary accommodations for Muslims.
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Shack09!
Bhai Meray: There is nothing to be ashamed about this article and and placing 
emoticon.
Muslims are facing two very opposite extremes of stupid criticisms these days in this respect.
ONE: Muslims breed like Rabbits.
SECOND: Muslims/Muslim Religious people oppose sex and sexual activities.
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Er who said I am ashamed of it?
My smiley meant I am pleasantly surprised how fast our religion has grown and is likely to grow as these stats were far more than I knew or expected.
Re: By 2025 30% of the population will be muslim
Why not?
Not sure if I really understood what you meant by this.
**All resorts and hotels etc. should accommodate all religious people.
*You said 'a'. *
Does this mean you would be opposed to even ONE such resort? ** Having plenty of halal food places elsewhere does not guarantee that the resorts have all the basic amenities or dietary accommodations for Muslims.
Disagree, it is the hotel's job that no person of different race be turned away however not the hotel's job to worry about whether every person believing in xyz has their requirements met, if the customer don't like the hotel or find that certain personal requirements aren't being met then there are plenty to choose from.
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Er who said I am ashamed of it?
My smiley meant I am pleasantly surprised how fast our religion has grown and is likely to grow as these stats were far more than I knew or expected?
OK. :)
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In the far distant future when Pakistan’s economy reaches the sky I will make the topic:
''Pakistan’s progress astounds critics, growth rates unprecedented all records broken.
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I hope you don’t take that statement of delightful surprise accompanied by the aforementioned smiley as me being ashamed.
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Disagree, it is the hotel's job that no person of different race **be turned away however not the hotel's job to worry about whether every person **believing in xyz **has their requirements met, if the customer don't like the hotel or find that certain **personal requirements aren't being met then there are plenty to choose from.
Shak!
First:
You have tried to mix religious requirements and racial needs when I never ever used racial as personal requirements. Hence your argument is flawed from the beginning. You are obviously favoring race over beliefs.
Second: Hotel job is to please/serve ALL customers based on the laws of the land.
Third: If these resorts and hotels do have problems with Muslims requirements then they should be open to admit and say on their brochure or menu saying:
"Sorry, we cannot accommodate Muslims dietary needs. Please go back and do grocery on Bismillah Grocery!" .
Why make people fool of expecting** religious freedom**?
Re: By 2025 30% of the population will be muslim
Shak!
First: You have tried to mix religious requirements and racial needs when I never ever used racial as personal requirements. Hence your argument is flawed from the beginning. You are obviously favoring race over beliefs.
Second: Hotel job is to please/serve ALL customers based on the laws of the land.
Third: If these resorts and hotels do have problems with Muslims requirements then they should be open to admit and say on their brochure or menu saying:
Why make people fool of expecting** religious freedom**?
You're confused here and one with the flawed argument, not me. Religious freedom means letting people express their religion safely and whenever and wherever they want. Hence we have mosques, synagogues, mandirs in the West etc.
What it does NOT mean is forcing businesses to do what they can't do for whatever reason. I have no problem going in a place and reading ''Sorry we do not serve halal food, however you are welcome to try our vegetarian menu''. If I have a problem with that then there are plenty of halal places. If there aren't halal places then that usually means the place has very few Muslims which means every business is within their rights to not be forced to to use halal meat for so few.
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"Sorry, we cannot accommodate Muslims dietary needs. Please go back and do grocery on Bismillah Grocery!" .
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Let me know which hotel did that and I will help you sue them. Otherwise its just another random statement that every right wing Westerner uses against Islam as well. :)
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Sorry, I was not able to read this post while posting above.
No. I do not take your statement as delightful surprise at all.
**I take your post very offensive and shameful. **
Why?
1- You ridiculed Pakistan and used word “far distant future” for economy of Pakistan reaching the sky.
2- You mocked at Pakistan not being rich and wealthy country because of its population.
3- You refused to acknowledge your smiley as shameful and call that delightful surprise.
And yet, for your kind information, the smiley:hayaa: does mean being shameful in the context it was used , not something delightful like or 
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LOL, I don’t even know what to say 
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Pakistan’s economy will get better in distant future, not today. Fact. If that is ridiculing Pakistan then all GS is pretty much at it, no?
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I meant growth rate as in economy growth rate, pretty obvious, but then again… If Pakistan reaches a decent economical level in the DISTANT future I will be delightfully surprised, and wait…so will everyone else.
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Because it wasn’t shameful,and frankly you have no right or liberties to assume what I deem shameful or not. As a Pakistani who’s family has given and does give a lot to Pakistan I can pretty much criticise anything I like. Not that I did in my post mind and pretty much everyone will come to the same conclusion. Do you know me personally? Or would you know how much my family has done for Muslims in UK or Pakistan? No.
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3- Really?
The smilie you used has words as Hayaa. Being ashamed of or bashful. What else one should take it then?
I am happy for you and for your family to contribute to Pakistan and really sorry if I offended you.
But this does not mean you can ridicule Muslims or Pakistan by using word ‘progress’ synonymous to ‘population growth’.
Re: By 2025 30% of the population will be muslim
a resort is a resort.
what's a muslim resort? arghhh.
do we have christian and buddhist resorts :S
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The smilie has words as Hayaa. Being ashamed of or bashful. What else one should take it then?
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99% of smilies are named after usernames of Guppies who made them. So er Hayaa is a Guppan who liked that smiley and it got made in her name. Like Khumar has a smiley after her name, maroush has one, Gina has one, sweeftie has one, ASA has one and the list goes on and on.
If I wish to post a popcorn smiley I would have to type : khumar : to do so. Does that mean my post in any way or form is related to the urdu word Khumar?
Sometimes thinking before posting is well advised. I am astonished at the logic, no offence.
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But this does not mean you can ridicule Pakistan for being poor and use word 'progress' synonymous to 'population growth'.
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So saying Pakistan has a poor economy is ridiculing Pakistan? I don't know whether you're joking here or serious. Or are we supposed to pretend that our country is a utopia and therefore needs no effort on our part for it to change? You can do that, I won't.
Second ''growth'' is widely used as a word to illustrate how a country's economy is doing. After your last few posts I still have no idea where you bought the population context in.
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No, since not all GS said far distant future shak. Try not to change the sentence.** Both you and I can read what you wrote earlier. ;) **
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Why what did I change? Who on GS is saying Pakistan will become heaven within the very near future?
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Shak! A lot of readers might have born at night but not last night.* **It is very obvious for any English reader what you meant. *
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I mention economy, then I mention growth.
Yes, very obvious that I was talking about population.
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You're confused here and one with the flawed argument, not me. Religious freedom means letting people express their religion safely and whenever and wherever they want. Hence we have mosques, synagogues, mandirs in the West etc.
What it does NOT mean is forcing businesses to do what they can't do for whatever reason. I have no problem going in a place and reading ''Sorry we do not serve halal food, however you are welcome to try our vegetarian menu''. If I have a problem with that then there are plenty of halal places. If there aren't halal places then that usually means the place has very few Muslims which means every business is within their rights to not be forced to to use halal meat for so few.
Let me know which hotel did that and I will help you sue them. Otherwise its just another random statement that every right wing Westerner uses against Islam as well. :)
Again, sorry I missed this one.
1- You said "Religious freedom means letting people express their religion safely and whenever and wherever they want. Hence we have mosques, synagogues, mandirs in the West etc."
I think what I can recollect you are either a law student (SIL as I made joke on you a while ago) or probably still a student in Law.
Allow me to explain that religious freedom does not mean expressing religion freely within the confinement of mosques, synagogues or mandirs.
If this was true then what would be the difference from the places which would not allow religious freedom?
Now about 'forcing business'. *I never support or asked for 'forcing business for 'accommodating' muslims or any religious person's dietary needs'.
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But what you did not get from my earlier posts the very meaning of 'accommodating' the Muslims.
Yes, fish or vegetarian would be quite acceptable for a lot of Muslims and even Kosher food is considered halal for a lot of Muslims *for not having pork in it and having monotheistic rituals similar to Jews.
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For the last statement, yo need to read my 'Third statement' again. I never complaned about anyone for that statement, instead I proposed that statement out of sarcasm. :) Hence no need to sue anyone.
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If this was true then what would be the difference from the places which would not allow religious freedom?
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A ton of difference. You can open a Mosque, open Halal stores, THAT is religious freedom. Or you can have places like KSA, where no other religion is likely to be tolerated. The difference is day and night.
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Allow me to explain that religious freedom does not mean expressing religion freely within the confinement of mosques, synagogues or mandirs.
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Again you miss the point.
Who said anything about within the confinements? My point was religious freedom is where you allow Mosques etc to be built, where a Muslim is therefore FREE to be a Muslim or a Jew without persecution.
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Now about 'forcing business'. **I never support or asked for 'forcing business for 'accommodating' muslims or any religious person's dietary needs'.
But what you did not get from my earlier posts the very meaning of 'accommodating' the Muslims.**
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You said people HAVE to be accomodated, or else they're making fools of people expecting religious freedom, let me refresh that point you made:
''Third: If these resorts and hotels do have problems with Muslims requirements **then they should be open to admit and say on their brochure or menu saying:**
Why make people fool of expecting** religious freedom?''
**The day a Muslim is stopped eating Halal food in the West is the day when people are being made ''fools'' for expecting religious freedom. Otherwise a Muslim can eat Halal, open up a Halal place quite freely.
That is religious freedom and that was my point. Why should any business be made to admit anything?
Lastly my career has complete irrelevance with regards to this topic.
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Yes, fish or vegetarian would be quite acceptable for a lot of Muslims and even Kosher food is considered halal for a lot of Muslims **for not having pork in it and having monotheistic rituals similar to Jews.**
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I repeat...I have no problem going in a place and reading ''Sorry we do not serve halal food, however you are welcome to try our vegetarian menu''. If I have a problem with that then there are plenty of halal places. If there aren't halal places then that usually means the place has very few Muslims which means every business is within their rights to not be forced to to use halal meat for so few.
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Its not a good thing.
These countries have crazy population growth but no infrastructure to support such growth.
It will lead to mass civil disturbances and many failed states in the Muslim World.
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99% of smilies are named after usernames of Guppies who made them. So er Hayaa is a Guppan who liked that smiley and it got made in her name. Like Khumar has a smiley after her name, maroush has one, Gina has one, sweeftie has one, ASA has one and the list goes on and on.
If I wish to post a popcorn smiley I would have to type : khumar : to do so. Does that mean my post in any way or form is related to the urdu word Khumar?
Sometimes thinking before posting is well advised. I am astonished at the logic, no offence.
*So saying Pakistan has a poor economy is ridiculing Pakistan? I don't know whether you're joking here or serious. Or are we supposed to pretend that our country is a utopia and therefore needs no effort on our part for it to change? You can do that, I won't. * Second ''growth'' is widely used as a word to illustrate how a country's economy is doing. After your last few posts I still have no idea where you bought the population context in.
I have to admit, I am slower than you in responding for a reason. I use computer for other reasons as well and take break in the meantime. So bear with me.
Ok. 99% of smilies are used by the name of guppies/guppans. Fine.
But Hayaa (member) might have chosen this smilie for having hayaa or being shameful/bashful no one can be sure, and even if not, this smilie is still being used in the same context as being shameful/bashful.
Why what did I change? Who on GS is saying Pakistan will become heaven within the very near future?
I mention economy, then I mention growth.
Yes, very obvious that I was talking about population.
You changed from far distant future ( a very unlikely scenario but suitable for mockery) to distant future from post # 8 to # 12 after my objection .