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Back Bhai To KK
Apto Worldcup ke baad chale hi gaye thay itna afsos ho gaya tha 
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Read somewhere
Prison (Feltham) where Aamir will be serving. Recently a Muslim prisoner was murdered there and there were also cases of suicides
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Interview By Afridi Talking about Spot Fixing
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Where there is shyt there has to be a Butt haha
ewww gross
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They got off lightly. They paid for their greed, they put their personal interest ahead of the nation's. No sympathy from me. I think all three should be banned for life from playing for Pakistan. Now lets get the other cheats.
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:smack: impossible to keep him quiet. can’t he keeps quiet for some time.
p.s i voted for friends
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Depressing to see the families go through this.
And I really worry for Amir. Feltham Young offenders institution is a horrible place and one can only hope what muslims there are can keep watch on him and see him though these 3 months.
Justice had to be done but terrible for Pakistan shamed in such a way.
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Although Sad, they did deserve this. What a pity that the creme de la creme of pakistani sports talent fell pray to greed, deceit and crime.
Is Pakistani cricket going to be clean now, even though Zaka who has replaced Butts is another Zordari compadre?
aoo aoo thakur aoo. Hope everything is good ...long time.... eh?
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I forgot to include the most indulged in corruption actvity - bribery. Under the table is (almost) a given for most activity in our motherland. Shall we start by putting behind bars anyone who has ever given a bribe or received one? would you say that is a serious offence?
Just tax evasion and bribery - should be enough to put 30% of middle and upper class behind bars, dont you think? Evading taxes in a country with 80% under the poverty line - especialy when one is a billionaire - surely that must rank higher in terms of severity.
I am taken aback at the thirst for unprecedented severity of punishment. This definitely is not the first time sportsmen have engaged in such activity.
Let us use the player's best asset - their kknowledge of the game - to make them give back to their country by providing coaching, mentoring kids, use the fines to help under-priviliged etc. In most parts of Europe, jail is a last resort (dnt know about UK). It is too bad the rest of the world is catching up with my country of residence in terms of locking people away - good for the prison industry I guess.
Again, I cannot logically defend my position 100%. Little amount of compassion, folks.
This is a really twisted logic to say that because other people get away with a crime, all other criminals should be left alone. That is what you are saying in essence.
Leave your compassion aside for a second and think practically about deterring future fixing in the game of cricket.
For the record, people DO go to jail for bribery and crimes in the west, very rare in south asia but it does happen. Note that you shouldnt compare the inefficiency of the indian or pakistani judicial system with the western system where people don't get away with stuff as often as they do in south asia. I just cannot understand why you would play this logic of "people get away with it in India, so why are these guys being punished in UK".. makes no sense.
While comparing different crimes, you HAVE to be harsher on the ones that involve cheating your whole country, and not just the profession. They get significantly higher rewards when representing the nation, the punishments should be bigger too.
Overall, while analyzing a situation we should strive for perfection and what's right and logical. We should not look at bad examples and stop trying to fix things.
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This is a really twisted logic to say that because other people get away with a crime, all other criminals should be left alone. That is what you are saying in essence.
Leave your compassion aside for a second and think practically about deterring future fixing in the game of cricket.
For the record, people DO go to jail for bribery and crimes in the west, very rare in south asia but it does happen. Note that you shouldnt compare the inefficiency of the indian or pakistani judicial system with the western system where people don't get away with stuff as often as they do in south asia. I just cannot understand why you would play this logic of "people get away with it in India, so why are these guys being punished in UK".. makes no sense.
While comparing different crimes, you HAVE to be harsher on the ones that involve cheating your whole country, and not just the profession. They get significantly higher rewards when representing the nation, the punishments should be bigger too.
Overall, while analyzing a situation we should strive for perfection and what's right and logical. We should not look at bad examples and stop trying to fix things.
Sharabee,
As always, you make excellent points. I agree we should strive for perfection. My reason for bring India-Pak into picture was that it is the people from the sub-continent who were demanding the most stringent punishment. Hence I was comparing apples (how sub-continent people behave in a not-so above board manner) to apples (how sub-continent people now want stringent punishment).
I agree the players should be punished. How severe the punishment should be is the only place I differ from you and the majority here. In this case, it does appear the judge saw it my way - not that that makes my position more right or wrong.
Most importantly, once again, while on the losing end of a debate with you, please allow me to pull an Amitabh - Kah diya na bas, kah diya. (This is the 2nd time I am going to that well :)
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Zero_one, looks likek Sri Krishna (post 277) is back
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Sharabee,
As always, you make excellent points. I agree we should strive for perfection. My reason for bring India-Pak into picture was that it is the people from the sub-continent who were demanding the most stringent punishment. Hence I was comparing apples (how sub-continent people behave in a not-so above board manner) to apples (how sub-continent people now want stringent punishment).
I agree the players should be punished. How severe the punishment should be is the only place I differ from you and the majority here. In this case, it does appear the judge saw it my way - not that that makes my position more right or wrong.
Most importantly, once again, while on the losing end of a debate with you, please allow me to pull an Amitabh - Kah diya na bas, kah diya. (This is the 2nd time I am going to that well :)
Hahah where is that Amitabh quote from? Any youtube links?
How much should the punishment be can be debated forever.. I guess there is never a right or wrong answer.. 6 months.. 12 months.. 30 months.. whatever.
I must say that I am glad to see and am impressed to see most Pakistanis supporting the court's decision. There is always going to be a small number of fools blaming conspiracy theories or racism but the overwhelming response here is pro-punishment.
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Here you go - at the ~ 4:14-4:20 mark (Sorry mods!)
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Mohamamd Amir was a victim of Pakistan’s cricketing culture and, specifically, the team management that failed to protect him, his mentor Asif Bajwa has said. Bajwa runs an academy in Rawalpindi that became Amir’s second home from the age of 11, where he would live for long stretches with Bajwa looking after him.
“It was the team management’s responsibility to take care of him,” Bajwa told ESPNcricinfo. "They should have taken a strict stance but the culture is very lenient and unprofessional. Why couldn’t they shut out those elements that tempted our cricketers?
“I brought up him up but he was distracted only after entering the international arena, where he didn’t find the right people around him. They [the PCB] wanted a cricketer to represent Pakistan - we gave them one. But now who is responsible? Who is to be blame? He was a player with extraordinary cricketing skills but he was very naïve … the board should have taken care of the other elements.”
Bajwa said he had been in contact with Amir during the spot-fixing trial. “My interaction with Amir until Wednesday was very emotional, he sounded helpless and insisted that he wanted one more chance - everyone deserves a second chance. He apologised to me, and I promised him that I’d help him to eventually return to the game. It’s a challenge for me to rebuild his reputation, but I will be doing that. It’s a challenge to remove a stigma, as our society is very cruel, but I believe he will be back.”
On Thursday, Amir was sentenced to six months in a young offenders’ detention centre for his role in the spot-fixing case; the rules suggest he can be out in three months’ time on good behaviour. His former team-mates Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt, and their agent Mazhar Majeed, were sent to jail for terms ranging from a year to 32 months.
In his remarks while handing out the sentence, Justice Cooke noted Amir’s background - he comes from a village near Islamabad where his father was a watchman in a government school. Compared to his fellow convicts, he was found to be unsophisticated, uneducated and impressionable.
“An 18-year-old from a poverty-stricken village background, very different to your own privileged one, who, whilst a very talented bowler, would be inclined to do what his senior players and particularly his captain told him, especially when told there was money in it for him and this was part of the common culture. For an impressionable youngster, not long in the team to stand out against the blandishments of his captain would have been hard,” the judge said.
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I](http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/current/story/539250.html) agree with Bajwa. An 18 year old kid is going to do what his captain tells him to do especially if he is a newcomer. I’m not saying he is innocent but he was naive to go with his captain and not tell PCB about this.
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^^
I dont think he was all that naieve. Unlike most 18 year olds, Amir showed lots of confidence and belief and he definately must have known what he was doing was wrong, even if Butt lured him with money and valuables and the quick-get-rick talk, Amir should have been aware of whats right and whats wrong.
As for Butt and Asif - I imagine they didnt have the greatest of 1st nights in prison.
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THREE of the men jailed over the cricket match-fixing scandal were due to start their sentences in a cold and cramped Victorian prison, where conditions for many prisoners were described as “below what could be classed as decent” in a damning inspectorate report this year.
Salman Butt, 27, Pakistan’s former captain; fast bowler Mohammad Asif, 28; and Mazhar Majeed, 36, the corrupt sports agent, were expected to be taken to Wandsworth Prison in south London where Muslim and ethnic minority prisoners have reported feeling more unsafe than other inmates on their first night, according to the inspection report.
In his damning assessment, the Chief Inspector of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, said in August the treatment of too many prisoners was “demeaning, unsafe and fell below what could be classed as decent”.
The report said that victims of bullying were not adequately protected and some prisoners were out of their cells for just two hours a day. It also added that “black and minority ethnic prisoners were disadvantaged in significant areas of the prison”.
The category-B prison has seen high-profile prisoners pass through its gates within the last year, including Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder, who was held there on remand, and the disgraced MP David Chaytor after his conviction over the expenses scandal.
The men were unlikely to receive any preferential treatment, prison staff said. After handing over valuables, they will have gone behind screens to strip and given just a towel to wear, said Mark Leech, the editor of Converse, the prisoners’ newspaper. They will have been searched, weighed and measured.
After seeing a doctor and being told to supply a urine sample for drug tests, they will have been given a blanket, pillow and sheet to spend their first night in cells where, inspectors reported in August, racist graffiti was scrawled on the walls.
In addition to daily exercise in the yard, the professional sportsmen and Majeed will have the opportunity to sign up for sports classes and may not be completely cut off from the sport they sullied, according to Stewart McLaughlin, the branch secretary of the POA, the union representing prison officers.
While there will be no outdoor cricket, staff may run games using softer balls and smaller stumps inside one of the prison’s three gyms. Though, with some 1,600 inmates held there, they will get only a few opportunities a week. McLaughlin said the men need have no fears of being picked on despite their wealth and formerly elevated status. “They will be well treated,” he said. “We’ve had other high-profile people in here, and they have all been treated with professionalism.”
The last man convicted, Mohammad Amir, 19, was expected to be taken to Feltham Prison for young offenders.
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Source: http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2011/11/04/match-fixers-start-jail-sentences/
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There are many Pakistanis in the jail where Asif and Butt are kept. Pakistani prisoners strongly reacted against the both so the both could not Prey even.
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lol @ criminals showing attitude on other’s crime
looking for 2 min fame i guess…
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Teenage fast-bowler Mohammad Amir and his family have received threats from gangsters involved in match-fixing
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Mohammad Asif to be moved to an ‘open’ prison
Richard Sydenham
November 5, 2011
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Pakistan fast bowler Mohammad Asif will this week be moved to an open prison, according to a close friend, which will allow him more freedom and privileges than at a closed prison where more dangerous criminals are housed.
The friend of former world No.2-ranked bowler Asif, who was sentenced to a year in prison on Thursday for his part in the spot-fixing conspiracy, revealed to ESPNcricinfo that Asif is likely to be moved by the end of next week. A call was made to the solicitors of Salman Butt but they did not confirm or deny whether this was also true for their client.
Asif is currently being imprisoned at the high-security jail in Wandsworth, along with his former captain and co-conspirator Butt. It could not be confirmed if agent Mazhar Majeed was also at the same prison. Teenager Mohammad Amir is thought to be at Feltham Young Offenders Institution, which has a reputation for being a harsh environment for inmates.
“I have only spoken to Asif a couple of times on the phone, I haven’t been able to visit him just yet, but he has been told he will be moved to an open prison and that should happen within the next five to seven days,” the friend told ESPNcricinfo.
The British prison system is divided into four categories A-D, with A being for criminals who are considered a danger to the public or national security. D category is for prisoners who are not considered a risk to society and not expected to attempt escape. They are also likely to have more privileges like being able to wander around the grounds when they wish and have free access to the internet and other leisure options.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/539343.html