Bush's fundementalist Christian allies / Islam-haters off to Iraq

What does it say of the Bush administration that it is letting such fundementalist bigots to go to Iraq? Reading this article it is quite clear that Bush, Bill Frist and other Republicans are quite beholden to these Christian fanatics.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=399347

Evangelical crusaders prepare to fight Islam with aid and a Bible

Evangelical charities with an overt hostility to Islam are preparing to distribute food, water, medicine and building materials in Iraq, all in the name of Jesus. One of the charities, Samaritan’s Purse, is run by Franklin Graham, the son of the evangelist Billy Graham, who declared after the 11 September attacks that Islam was “a very evil and wicked religion”. Another is the Southern Baptist Convention… About 800 of SBC’s volunteers are reported to be on their way to Iraq to deliver food packages labelled with a verse from St John’s Gospel, in Arabic, saying that “grace and truth were realised through Jesus Christ”. Such insensitivity is viewed by some as playing into the hands of those to whom the “war on terrorism” is a religious crusade. ***But what really riles Muslim groups all over the world is that these activities are overtly supported by the Bush administration. Franklin Graham, a long-standing friend of the President, was invited to participate in this year’s Good Friday prayer service at the Pentagon, angering many in the Defence Department. Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the invitation “sends entirely the wrong message to the Muslim and Arab world … This kind of incident can undo any kind of bridges built by a hundred public affairs officers at the Pentagon.” ***Franklin Graham has a record of hostility to Islam and unabashed proselytising, even where it is illegal. After the 1991 Gulf War, he infuriated Norman Schwarzkopf, the commander of Operation Desert Storm, by shipping tens of thousands of Arabic-language New Testaments to Saudi Arabia in defiance of Saudi law and the US-Saudi military alliance.

In his most recent book, he says that Christianity and Islam are “as different as lightness and darkness” and that the two religions are destined to fight each other until the second coming of Christ, which he says is imminent. During a book tour last year, he said Islam posed “a greater threat than anyone’s willing to speak”. He has toned down the rhetoric recently to pacify his critics but few believe him when he says “we don’t have to preach to be a Christian relief organisation”. Samaritan’s Purse has worked in many countries, including Rwanda, Somalia, southern Sudan, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan. Mr Graham flies in his some of his relief planes, especially when they are in danger. Such gusto has won him many friends in the Republican Party, including Bill Frist, the Senate majority leader, who has joined him on missions in Sudan. And he is a popular figure on the fundamentalist right – an important Bush constituency that loves the idea of good versus evil and a president ordained by God to lead America in tough times. That is also why the Iraqis are likely to oppose his presence. As Michelle Cottle writes in this week’s New Republic magazine: “At this point, Graham’s ugly disquisitions on the nature of Islam have made him so radioactive that, even if he doesn’t utter one word about Jesus while in Iraq, his mere presence in the region could be considered a provocation.”

For some reason I think the cluster bombs were better accepted by the common Iraqi than these people will be.

When Vasco da Gama got off the ship for the first time in India and was asked why he traveled so far from home, his response was: "I come in search of Christians and spices".

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Evangelical charities with an overt hostility to Islam are preparing to distribute food, water, medicine and building materials in Iraq, all in the name of Jesus.

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How despicable can people be? Distributing food to the hungry, water to the thirsty, medicine to the sick and building materials to rebuild damaged buildings all in the name of Jesus. This is an outrage!!!

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For some reason I think the cluster bombs were better accepted by the common Iraqi than these people will be.

When Vasco da Gama got off the ship for the first time in India and was asked why he traveled so far from home, his response was: "I come in search of Christians and spices".
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That seems to apt in this case. But what intrigues me is how the Bush adminstration and it's supporters preach tolerance of other faiths, and condemn the hate of fundementalists the world over, yet can defend the Christian fundementalists and their proximity to power in Washington.

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How despicable can people be? Distributing food to the hungry, water to the thirsty, medicine to the sick and building materials to rebuild damaged buildings all in the name of Jesus. This is an outrage!!!
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distributing food to the hungry : because of the sanctions imposed by USA :-)

water to the thirsty : because most of the infrastructure was destroyed by the allied forces in GW1 and whatever of it was left, was destroyed in this war. :-)

medicine to the sick : sanctions alone were enough to wipe out these people. but Americans just couldn't see them surviving and had to wage another war to end their misery. ofcourse DU will play its part in the years to come. :-)

Building materials to rebuild damaged buildings : who damaged these buildings? the last i heard was that your American's B52 and missiles were all over the place missing and hitting unintended or intended targets :-)

in the name of jesus : yup, same christians think that against muslims diplomacy won't work. wage war, kill people and and then become heroes by giving them all of the above mentioned :-)

^ you are confusing Christian charities with the US government.

Your'e also putting blame on US instead of Saddam - but that is par for the course for the whole blame-displacement practice which takes no responsibility for your own inept and corrupt governments.

If any of you think the mother of a hungry or thirsty child cares whether the person who gives her food and water believes in Jesus, you are engaging in a form of thought with which I am unfamiliar.

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^ you are confusing Christian charities with the US government.

Your'e also putting blame on US instead of Saddam - but that is par for the course for the whole blame-displacement practice which takes no responsibility for your own inept and corrupt governments.
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these are extremists and they have the backing of their government. :-) one part is responsible for destructions through out the world thus paving the way for the other to jump in :-)

To equate Christian charities and the US government would be like equating Muslim charities and the Saudi government.

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If any of you think the mother of a hungry or thirsty child cares whether the person who gives her food and water believes in Jesus, you are engaging in a form of thought with which I am unfamiliar.
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ahh, so now these charities are concerned about these hungry thirsty sick people. where were these when people were dieing because of sanctions. its not like sanctions are over. but now they are going inot iraq because their troops are there and now they have a good chance to convert a few thousands, if not million. i'm sure in the weeks and months to come, we'll see a lot of it on Fox and other American channels, the miracles of Jesus and Bible.
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To equate Christian charities and the US government would be like equating Muslim charities and the Saudi government.
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the only difference is this that saudi government is also protected by your USA government. so if saudi government IS involved in any wrong activities, then USA is somewhat responsible. but for now they are far too busy in iraq so saudis are left for some other future action plan :-)

True, Graham is an idiot.

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ahh, so now these charities are concerned about these hungry thirsty sick people. where were these when people were dieing because of sanctions. its not like sanctions are over. but now they are going inot iraq because their troops are there and now they have a **good chance
* to convert a few thousands, if not million. i'm sure in the weeks and months to come, we'll see a lot of it on Fox and other American channels, the miracles of Jesus and Bible.
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You must believe the Iraqis' have very little faith in Islam to be concerned that "thousands, if not millions" of them will be converted to Christianity merely by being exposed to some bible thumpers. If all it took to convert the Muslim masses to Christianity and thereby win our "war against Islam" was some food, water and a few Jehovahs Witnesses, I'd be a happy guy. Is that why so many Muslim countries have laws against missionaries teaching the word of God to their people?

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To equate Christian charities and the US government would be like equating Muslim charities and the Saudi government.
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Do you know what these Christian "charities" preach? What is your opinion of the Bush administration having a high association with fundementalist Christian groups that preach intolerance and hate towards Muslims?

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You must believe the Iraqis' have very little faith in Islam to be concerned that "thousands, if not millions" of them will be converted to Christianity merely by being exposed to some bible thumpers.
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Its not about having little faith in Islam, its what purpose do these Evangelicals have in Iraq when their anti-Islamic agendas are pretty evident. Seems like a bad case of dejavu, only now its the americans trying to "liberate" muslims from Islam, rather than the Europeans. Anyways, try as you will, you cannot force God to send Jesus as these ppl are trying to do. Just read "Forcing God's Hand" to get an insight of whats behind these neoconservative adventures.

you are threatened by one wacked out cult who had plans four years ago?

I know LOTS of conservative Chrisitians, and there is not a single one of them that is an "Islam-Hater". The paranoia against conservative Christians is remarkable.

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Its not about having little faith in Islam, its what purpose do these Evangelicals have in Iraq when their anti-Islamic agendas are pretty evident.

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Come on Lunatic, tell me...what ulterior purposes do they have. So far the only ulterior purposes that have been identified are as follows:
1. Feed the hungry;
2. Provide drink for the thirsty;
3. Give building materials to help rebuild homes and offices; and,
4. Try to convert Muslims in Iraq to Christianity.

I suppose the next charge is that they will try to get Iraqi Muslims to like them instead of viewing them as the disciples of the Great Satan.

Wait a minute OG, whats so remarkable...Franklin Graham has close ties to the Bush White house, one of the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention called Muhammad a demon posessed pedophile a day before Bush addressed the convention. SBC has a large following bigger than what you would classify as a cult anyway. Maybe painting all conservative Christians with the same brush is too much, but given the circumstances not remarkable.

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I know LOTS of conservative Chrisitians, and there is not a single one of them that is an "Islam-Hater". The paranoia against conservative Christians is remarkable.
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But the problem is that your President knows quite a lot of Islam-hating Christian fundementalists, and that is a fact. Yet we have him condemning other fundementalists the world over, or is that American Christian fundementalists can be excused (as they are by most American's in this thread) for their hate towards Muslims?

The ignorance towards the influence of Christian fundementalists in America with close ties Bush is remarkable.

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Come on Lunatic, tell me...what ulterior purposes do they have. So far the only ulterior purposes that have been identified are as follows:
1. Feed the hungry;
2. Provide drink for the thirsty;
3. Give building materials to help rebuild homes and offices; and,
4. Try to convert Muslims in Iraq to Christianity.

I suppose the next charge is that they will try to get Iraqi Muslims to like them instead of viewing them as the disciples of the Great Satan.

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  1. When the war hadn't started these same groups were advocating the war and saying that good Christians should support the war and accept the fact that in war there will be casualties...heard of something called the "Just war theory"? Hence these people supported the harsh conditions that the Iraqis now find themselves in. Moreover as someone asked where were they for 12 years? Baathists were secular nationalists with a Christian (Tariq Aziz) at the number 2 post. They would not have objected to these guys doing relief work in Iraq.

  2. There are other Muslim relief organizations ready with all the food water and building materials at the borders of Iraq but are not being allowed in (Example: Maulana Abdul Sattar Edhi). Edhi is not an evangilist for any faith, but a famous and highly revered Pakistani philanthropist...why is he not allowed to carry out the relief efforts?