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Pray tell, which R & D jobs are you talking about. Some refrence with credible sources will be a nice compliment to your doom and gloom scenario. Also note ..as anti pointed out, mudhoosh eyes and loling do not enhance your argument, instead it makes youlook like an immature person.
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Dear Blitz,
Let’s not wave hands in the air, and use some real example. What is your definition of “Middle Class” in america?
Let me help you if I may. Middle class could be (my guess) someone making 50-70K or 70-100K a year in America. Which range did you pick in your analysis?
And what estimates have you made in your own domain? Do you live in America or you know Pakistani-Americans?
Best regards
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Where do you live in America?
If not in houston, chicago, new york then where?
And Kaleem call-center support aside, you have companies like Motorolla and Intel moving their R&D operations to India (database support, 401k plans, C+ programming etc).
What is your field actually kaleem?
Have you ever seen Lou Dobbs reports on such issues?
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Lou Dobbs. Oh heavens he is a one hit wonder.
In the late 70's and early 80's I was absolutely convinced that Reagan was evil personified. There were world wide protests against Reagan pushing intermediate range nukes into Europe. I was among them. We were just convinced that Reagan was moronicly stupid, and that he was a militaristic right wing foaming-at-the-mouth anti-communist. Not only were we convinced he was the devil incarnate, but we were so arrogant as to believe that any one who disagreed with us was also a complete moron.
Then the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan, and the Berlin wall fell. Turns out those nukes that I was convinced would plunge the world into a radioactive holocaust broke the Soviets back. In retrospect Reagan played hardball and won. He reinvigorated the economy, and left behind Carters malaise. I was wrong wrong wrong.
Everyday here on Gupshup I see the same naive arrogance that I was guilty of when I was young. If you don't hate Bush you must be an idiot. And no one around here EVER entertains the possibility that they might be wrong.
In a decade or two we will be able to judge Bush. Until then we will not know if his policies have failed or succeeded. Reagan is now known as the "great communicator", and I was convinced he was butt stupid. How things change.
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Mr. Blitz,
Shooting questions without caring to support your middle class definition, is now showing your frustration.
No I don’t live in any of these cities, but I have travelled through them pretty frequently. I have also met many hard working Pakistani-American **middle class and upper middle class families **as well.
So now back to your theory of American Middle-class. What is the range 50-70K a year, or 70-100K a year?
Best regards
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Kaleem bhaijaan i can expect you to fail and if you manage to sneak in a booty and secure 31 marks, that’s still no reason to celebrate.. specially since you were an A student before..
percentages and expectations are just word play around statistics… the only way from rock bottom is up.. no reason for cheer!
here’s something you can read in your liesure time..
A ‘Fiscal Hurricane’ on the Horizon
and worry not.. it’s not mad liberal politicians talking.
"‘Anybody who says you’re going to grow your way out of this problem would probably not pass math.’’
– David Walker, comptroller general of the United States
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Bush supporters don't know where we're going and don't even realize that Bush has put us all in a hand basket.
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Thanks for posting this. However I don’t think it’d be enough for not-so-bright Bush apologists.
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"Fiscal Hurricane on the Horizon"?
Economists have correctly predicted 17 of the last 5 recessions. :)
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PA, So you object to the “expectations” and “numbers” in the article i linked and the stuff your posted is full of them. Everything is projected (read assumed), expected etc. Come on…Economy is getting better…granted we may never see the boom of early and mid nineties, but we are on the road of recovery.
Also I dont think you need a little poodle like LI to chime in and pat you on the back, do you? I did not think so.
Blitz, since when did we start calling 401k and accounting R & D?
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So now *back to your theory of American Middle-class. What is the range 50-70K a year, or 70-100K a year?
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50-70k is more realistic though 70k and + will be upper middle class.
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Dear Blitz,
For a moment we go with your 50-70K a year earner as middle class. Show us how Bush was bad to this group especially by cutting taxes !(with your personal experience, or some hardworking Pakistani-American family, if possible).
Best regards
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Tax cuts are long-term (instead of giving “relief” to middle class as dems had suggested, he gave money back to the rich who just pocketed it back in their bank accounts unlike middle class which is always in need of something and would’ve bought something).
I know many people who have tech degrees that have been out of job for a year / 2 years (no more unemployment) and rising costs who can’t get back into the job field (due to the stuff ended being outsource to India, romania, china) and even some who find jobs have to do more work for a third of the salary.
See, I know you will say that government can’t interfere in capitalism, but it is pretty stupid for bush to give tax cuts to the same companies that ax their people to hire outsiders in a different country for a third of the cost here.
If he actually wanted to give tax cuts that bad, he should’ve given it to the white and blue collars that lost their jobs due to outsourcing.
Unless you are in a tech field like my brothers, you wouldn’t understand the situtation obl!
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ok.. if you say so…
**US Consumer Borrowing Plunges**](http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1133995814049&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851)
*The declines were a drop of 4 per cent in overall borrowing, the biggest setback in nearly 15 years, and a decline of 4.9 per cent in the category that includes auto loans, the biggest drop in 13 years.
*Mortgage Defaults Jump 18.6 Percent Across U.S.
The number of mortgages in default or foreclosure leaped 18.6 percent in October since September, a possible sign that rising interest rates are turning some heavy homeowner debts into unbearable ones.
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so now we are blaming Bush’s tax cuts for the techie outsourcing to China or Bhrarat? hahahah.
Oh Puppoo Ji, Most of the outsourcing of work occurred in the 90’s during Y2K upgrades. The second wave followed with the internet boom. But the time is gone just like the good ole San Fransisco gold rush.
Your brothers lost jobs just like the era when a lot of pencil makers lost their jobs the day ball-point pen was made. Technology changes and so do the market trends. Oracle programming is no more a job that could only be done in the US. Ask your brothers to go back to school and retrain. That is the American way.
I could give you several examples of how the industry changes bring new trends in the type of employees. So get out of the aloo-store ghetto mentality and join the American dream the way it should be (unlike some outdated commie ruskie style).
Best regards
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Yes it can be tied as eventually with the rising government deficits, taxes will have to be reimposed again but they will be on a poorer middle class which means standard of living in america will go down!
As fo Y2k, bhindus made money over here (they actually 'messed up' the y2k in the first place) but the outsourcing bonanza really came after 2000 well into bush's presidency!
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Oh Pappoo Ji, **eventually **a lot of things can happen. But we are talking about the present. American dream is about present, and not some distant future. Immigrants flock to that country to get rich quickly, buy homes, big cars, and do lots of shopping.
This can only happen when the economy is not burdened by “extra” taxes. Prez. Bush has helped in that trend and not hurt it. Home ownership is all time high, cars are selling at the employee prices, and shopping malls are full. Big industries like GM, AT&T will come and go, but Americans will continue following their dreams.
Sure sometimes tax cut could go deeper than necessary, but there is no magic wand to help us figure out the “Optimum” level of tax cuts.
Prez. Bush has always said that he will cut taxes, and Sen. Kennedy has always talked about not cutting taxes. So next time when Dems win, they are welcome to raise the taxes and I’ll see how they treat the $50-70K a year group.
Best regards
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Eventually means sooner than later as per how the things are going now (cutting education / plus loan funding to support war in iraq).
It is all a chain. You screw with one thing (in bush's case many), there is a resultant affect on the whole cycle!
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^^ OK Papoo Ji, You win! Even if you haven't been able to support your lefite-theories on tax cuts. And tax-cut may not be the core of your anti-Bush gripes anyway.
I guarantee that Maulanas (of Pak-American version) on this forum will vote for Dems in 2008, get burned by Dems por-Israel policy, then vote for Republicans again in 2012. This will continue all the while, Arabs will be ar$e whooped by the Americans (or its allies) for the foreseeable future.
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Anti, there is no way Dems win the presidential election if John McCain is running in 08.