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Yes you put the whole thing out there but don’t understand what it means.
“Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a
court order,”
meaning that the AG had to go through section 302(a)(1) and guess what? That allows searches without a court order only if they aren’t an** American Citizen.**
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So who is going to post 302(a)(1) so we can asceratin if UTD is right for once.
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can't we just get mv to take a break for his vacation after he got $2,500,000,000 deposted in his account from Nigeria?
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Say, UTD, are you against this type of search given the circumstances and stakes?
Do you suggest that concerns for national security had nothing to do with this:
that it’s just part of the “erosion of civil liberties” agenda?
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storch, the AG can authorize a warrantless tap for up to 72 hours by notifying the presiding judge of FISA's court and give jusification for the tap later. This allows a check and balance, why did Bush go around this?
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That’s what I’m aksin’ you, boss. Why do you think this happened? To spy on ordinary citizens?
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^ Yes. He was after the Dems and Liberals
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did he get anything good on 'em?
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I sure hope so....hopefully he got the low down on that drunken guy in Nantucket ...what is his name Kennedy something...or that big fat tub of goo Moore who showed Bush's connection to oil companies but failed to mention that Kennedy's own an oil company too.
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C’mon UTD, lets see if your supposition is correct.
Regardless, neither Clinton nor Carter had a foreign attack on US soil that killed 3000 people. To me, the incremental creep of spying on foreign agents as they contact US citizens is of little consequence. The foreign agents were identified, and their contacts in the US were tapped. The Chinese wall created by the NSA charter is only slightly fractured by virtue of the foreign contact with US citizens. This is hardly a slippery slope, as there is a clear link. And, this process was discussed with congressional leadership over 15 times, which sort of alleviates the concern of no oversight. So what is the issue? And how does it materially differ from previous presidential orders? No issue, and not much change from Democratic administrations in my opinion.
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Ahh but opps the White House now admits that internal calls may have also been accidentally tapped. But say there are internal calls by those planning a terror attack then those should be tapped but that needs to be brought to the Judicial branch to decide and in this case it's FISA's court which has allowed such tapping to occur on U.S. citizens as long as it fits certain criteria. Why is Bush doing a one man show? This breaks down the fundamental structure of the U.S. system.
As far as Congress members being notified it seems that they weren't really notified about what exactly was going on. Senator Bob Graham said he was notified back in 2002 that calls routed through the U.S. were being tapped but not told that actual connecting calls into/out of the U.S. were being tapped. Besides that if he said anything he would have been charged with a felony for leaking classified information.
There is a system in place that allows terrorist to be watched and listen to no matter where they are without a delay, without worrying about getting a warrent right then and there. Let's use that.
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show the public ONE.. just ONE instance where these programs have helped thwart any major terrorist attack.. (not plans of bringing down the brooklyn bridge with a hacksaw :rolleyes:
I guess this is the kind of society you wish to live in?
"Papiere, Bitte!"](http://www.newsnet5.com/news/5580743/detail.html)
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Don' think that bill will hold up in court if signed PA, that's the great thing about the system of checks and balance.
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yes utd checks and balance.. the topic under discussion is a great example of how well that ‘check and balance’ has worked out for us :k:
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Congress will be investigating the legality of the taps PA. It's not as if this story has been reported and now being sweept under the rug.
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UTD, do you really believe that anything will change? Believe you me, the next presidnet will use it just like Bush did and just like other "presidents" did before him. I ask my dem brothers to come up with soemthing that is going to help the country not divide it.
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Kaleem you are a comedic genious. A Bush supporter asking democrats to come up with policies that don’t divide.
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^ Semi, I am glad I provided humor for the day. Democrats have a long way to go to propose any solution much less a solution that does not divide.
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Kaleem, the solutions (laws) for this 'problem' already exist. What part of it is divisive?
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Selective nitpicking...like a democrat president has never used/abused(in denms view) his authority.