Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
UTD, man yer like a buzzard. Everybody is a critic in hindsight. I can tell you as a Florida homeowner that FEMA was excellent last year. Not one but four hurricanes and they did very well. I think what you fail to fathom here is that this hurricane is more akin to an atomic bomb spread over three states. The enormity of this event is beyond anything the country has ever seen.
I live in a Florida home too, and I can tell you that despite Florida being the one state that is totally out of whack almost at every moment of the day (well at least the Southern areas), our hurricane damage was well taken care of.
However,
Our population demographics are VERY different from New Orleans. If we had like 80% African American population that were suffering, I don't think you'd see the same response. I know this, because I see what the Haitians here in S. Florida go thru. Unfortunately, I think the lack of response in New Orleans is because of racial issues, IMHO.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
No Kaleem, playing politics is impeaching a president for lying about a blowjob. Taking every opportunity to take down a man in a self righteous kinda manner is the conservative way. Lying to start a war and this lack of leadership that has lead to mass suffering are much more impeachable offenses if you ask me. People are dying because this man is an incompetent idiot.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
Kaleem prava, you make it sound like its these poor peoples fault somehow that they are not being cared for. They chose to stay, so what. None of us were in their position and could have decided for them.
The least the National Guard, FEMA et al, could have done was drop some food from the air from their military helos and medical supplies. Those people at the convention center had nowhere to go. They sat there anticipating a rescue and many died.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
I have not been following it that much on the news (i.e. sitting in front of the TV and absorbing every news item), but I did see yesterday that one news telecaster was very upset at the troops. He said the American citizens who were in distress were piled up in areas, and that the borders of these areas were manned by troops. The citizens were feeling like Iraqis, the newscaster complained. Instead of helping them and getting needed food etc to them, they were standing there with guns patrolling the area, as if these people are being held prisoners...
Sure Bush is saying things on TV to please keep calm (any idiot can do that sitting miles and miles away from damage - that's no especial skill of Bush's), but how many of these people have TV's, may I ask?
All they are seeing is what instructions the troops are giving them and that the troops are patrolling them with guns as if they're dogs in a pound. If I were in the situation, I'd be scared and very very very angry. May God help Bush if I ever got out of there alive and in one piece.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
CNN cameras were there yesterday at the convention center where many died. I didnt see no guns neither the repporter (Bellman something) described any hostility there. And the reporter said whatever they dropped from the air was enough for maybe 20 people.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
5Abi, I disagree, the decision to open the Dome as a shelter was giving the OPTION to the citizens to stay in the area instead of evacuate.
I live here in Miami, and if I were given that option, then I would assume that damage will be the usual, like flooding and power outtages and roofs being blown off. As long as I feel my house is built in a secure fashion, unlike the Homestead homes were in Hurricane Andrew, then I would opt to stay in my home too.
If they knew there would be so much flooding they shouldn't have given the option of the dorm, and they should have MANDATED a MANDATORY evacuation and even forced people out of their homes. Everyone knew that the flooding would be disasterous and homes would be under water - they knew that before the hurricane even came ashore. The delta area is BELOW sea level. The authorities were not strict enough. I even say that their mayor or whoever was simply telling them to "get out which way they can" or something like that.
That's not how you should be addressing the situation. Do it military style. Get a line of buses, etc stocked up and pull people out of their homes and send 'em up north. Simple really. It was lack of good planning on part of the city.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
UTD, you tell me whose fault is it that those levies (sp) broke? Is it Bush’s fault? Combine that with these so called poor (thugs) refusal to leave has made the matters worse. Liberal media does not have the balls to say that looters are black if they have the gall to suggest that lack of help is racially motivated they should also have the guts to say that all looters are black.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
5Abi, I saw the scenes with troops carrying guns patrolling a defined area in which these guys were crowded into. They were not responding to the emotional cries of any individual, they were just patrolling. Looked very much like an Iraqi pound to me.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
Here is my problem. Gov’t anticipated the levees wouldnt breach, knowing fully well katrina was a cat 5 and the levees could only withstand a cat3. fk up #1. But I know we are all monday morning quarterbacks here.
Here is another glaring example…
kaleem, what massive evacuation plan are you talkin’ about? Greater NOLA has more than a million people. I didnt see any lines of buses to evacuate these people before the storm hit. Are you wet dreaming again?
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
Kaleem, everyone there is black - its population demographics. So the ones suffering will be black, and the ones looting will be black, and the ones lost at sea will be black, and theones that have drowned will be black, and the ones reporting will be black, and the ones volunteering will be black. So what’s your point?
Its like saying, lets go to Pakistan and specifically to Karachi, and say that all the looters of Karachi are desi.
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Maybe the reporter failed to mention that some of those poor folks were involved in looting, mugging and possibly rape and murder. This is exactly what I mean by liberal media bias…these a-holes always give one side of the story. If this ****er was so upset why did he not bring supplies with him to help the folks rather than bringing his suits and crap.
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I was listening to the Mayor of NO talk last night. He said that at one point some General jumped out of a helicopter and raised fearsome hell, and things really started moving. Sounds like the bureacrats are just out of their element, and we need to find a guy who is willing to bury some boots in some a$$es and move things the last yard. I suspect they have a lot of stuff sitting in the suburbs, and have yet to move it into the middle of the city.
PD, you really missed my point. Regardless of your income level, there is a strong tendency to stay in your home, its human nature. There is also a strong element of denial, as people think that they will be OK, the storm will miss them, they have been through it before, or that they view this as an inconvenience. In NO, they have parties to damn hurricanes.
And Kaleem, I am in complete agreement that New Orleans has always been a tough town. I took a walking tour of NO a few years back to photograph the mauseleums. The hotel people warned me that NO has a crime rate higher than any other US city, particularly in large pockets of really bad sections of the city. It is a city that has a very bizzare work ethic, and could become Mad Max-like pretty quickly. People should have known that the inmates would run the asylum pretty quickly in a power vaccuum.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
Hey dopey ass were you there to witness everything. I have spoken to the peopel who came from that area a-hole, what have you done watch TV and make up your mind. Stupid ****s like you think they know everything …in reality they have no clue what they are talking about.
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PCG, so why make it a racial issue at all. Why do you keep saying that if people were white the situation will be different…Stop playing the race card already.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
Maybe the reporter failed to mention that some of those poor folks were involved in looting, mugging and possibly rape and murder. This is exactly what I mean by liberal media bias...these a-holes always give one side of the story. If this **er was so upset why did he not bring supplies with him to help the folks rather than bringing his suits and crap.**
Okay, where do I begin, really?
They are reporting the looting, and massively, hence why there is so much commotion over it among gupsters even here and on most internet forums, over the news, over lunch at work, in conversations with mummies and daddies, etc etc. Its common knowledge what is goingon there - it IS being publicized...otherwise, how would you know of it?
Why didnt he bring supplies - first off - how do you know what he's doing in his off-time from reporting? Secondly, he is reporting - so he's doing something. Here in the USA, the media influences a lot - if the gov't is failing to do their job, only if the media starts telecasting what is going on will the gov't start reacting and improving themselves. So they play their part indeed.
Really, you are not an American and you don't have one clue what it means to be American and what it means to go thru something like this. I'd keep yer trap shut if you don't know how the system here works.
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
u don't get it Kaleem do you? who says it's Bush's fault this happend.. what's Bush's fault is that he didn't provide enough funding to projects dedicated to address the situation with the levees.. without funding for maintenance and upkeep this is what happened to them..
ok fast forward to a few days before katrina.. u know a Cat 5 is gonna hit but what's the response?? hey people.. get out of the city.. good for the rich who have three cars and enough relatives/money to evacuate in time.. what about the poor.. YES they are all black.. and yes the blacks are rioting and looting cuz u know what.. the blacks are the ones that are suffereing too..
i really hate this Republican mean streak where everything is people's fault and the Government is always right.. if everytime something like this happens we have to start going around with a collection plate.. eff the taxes and federal control, let people conduct their lives themself..
yes black people should have pulled out. IF they had cars and IF there was transport waiting by? if they can't manage to evacuate them now how can u claim there were enough buses or other means available pre storm to take them out?
Re: Bush administration forced cuts in flood protection in N.O. ($ went to Iraq)
STFU. Just because you donated a few pennies dont make you spokesperson. I have someone living here who fled from NO in his CAR just before the storm hit. Nagin did order a mandatory evacuation order for almost half-a-million people who live in NOLA. But everyone was asked to fend for himself. 30% of NOLA live below poverty line, and they decided to ride it out. Either post a link or pics of bus services or pull your head out of your ass, turdmuffin.
