"Are you suggesting that when Israel kills Hamas/IJ leadership during peace process its because Arab leadership wants to so the pot remains boiling?"
Who do you think is funding, arming, encouraging and guiding Hamas and IJ? Do you think they operate in a complete void? Did we forget about the huge arms shipments stopped at sea coming from Iran?
The US will sit on Sharon to keep up the Israeli portion of the road map. But who will do the same with the Palestinian extremists? God help the Palestinians if the Road Map fails....
you just don't seem to be getting what i'm trying to say here. why does it matter what the israelis do? what matters is what you, me and the muslims do in response to it. do we go against Islam to get back at the Israelis? you seem to be saying yes ...
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nomaan dear Islam does allow this in a way. As Islam says eye for an eye, arm for an arm and so on. And who started it first? The Israelis. So lets say if you have a 7 year old son who got killed by the Israelis would you forgive them or take revenge? Ofcourse if you forgive them you would get more reward from Allah but would you really forgive?
This doesn't mean I am saying that the boming was the right thing to do but what else they can do to take revenge. Its the Israelis who need to realise and stop all this nonsence.
nomaan dear Islam does allow this in a way. As Islam says eye for an eye, arm for an arm and so on. And who started it first? The Israelis. So lets say if you have a 7 year old son who got killed by the Israelis would you forgive them or take revenge? Ofcourse if you forgive them you would get more reward from Allah but would you really forgive?
This doesn't mean I am saying that the boming was the right thing to do but what else they can do to take revenge. Its the Israelis who need to realise and stop all this nonsence.
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an eye for an eye? that applies to the person who actually killed. not another person that shares the same religion/nationality as the killer.
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As Islam says eye for an eye, arm for an arm and so on. And who started it first? The Israelis. So lets say if you have a 7 year old son who got killed by the Israelis would you forgive them or take revenge? Ofcourse if you forgive them you would get more reward from Allah but would you really forgive?
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I'm no Iman, but does Islam really say it is ok to kill innocent people to take 'revenge' on a group of people? Your government killed my 7 year old son, so I will kill someone else's 7 year old son and God will be pleased?
an eye for an eye? that applies to the person who actually killed. not another person that shares the same religion/nationality as the killer.
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True.
But can you tell me the person who carried out this attack had nothing to do with Israel or one (or more) of his family member got killed by the Israelis?
You haven't answered me on if you had a 7 year old son or any age. If he got killed by the Israelis would you forgive or take revenge?
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I'm no Iman, but does Islam really say it is ok to kill innocent people to take 'revenge' on a group of people? Your government killed my 7 year old son, so I will kill someone else's 7 year old son and God will be pleased?
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I am not saying that. But tell me the situation in which the PA's are what they should do? Any sugestions?
When I said an eye for eye I did not mean to say what you interupted. I meant that the person who agreed to blowup him/her self might have had a family member got killed by the Israelis.
When I said an eye for eye I did not mean to say what you interupted. I meant that the person who agreed to blowup him/her self might have had a family member got killed by the Israelis.
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Ok, I got it. The person was unable to do the spriritually right thing and instead sought revenge. But even if you believe in the barbaric code of 'eye for an eye', these homicide bombers are not killing the person responsible his son's death, they are killing innocent people.
But can you tell me the person who carried out this attack had nothing to do with Israel or one (or more) of his family member got killed by the Israelis?
You haven't answered me on if you had a 7 year old son or any age. If he got killed by the Israelis would you forgive or take revenge?
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if that happens, i would want the person responsible punished, not anyone else.
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Who do you think is funding, arming, encouraging and guiding Hamas and IJ? Do you think they operate in a complete void? Did we forget about the huge arms shipments stopped at sea coming from Iran?
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Funding Hamas is not the reason for Israel killing Hamas/IJ leaders during the peace process, or is it?
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The US will sit on Sharon to keep up the Israeli portion of the road map. But who will do the same with the Palestinian extremists? God help the Palestinians if the Road Map fails....
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Thats the exact reason there won't be any peace, Israel knows it has full US backing for money and arsenal so whether or not there is peace, Israel knows that it'll exist.
The suicide bombing was said to be a response to Isreal's attack on a hamas militant earlier on. Just curious, did Isreal Army have no idea about a peace process going on at the same time? Or, did they forget that hamas and IJ had agreed to a ceasefire. It seems everytime there seems a tiny chance for peace with the palis, the IDF have this sudden urge to strike out. Just wondering, do they not expect reaction? Or maybe, a reaction is exactly what they expect....?
"The Israeli security source said the attack plan, which was expected to receive final approval from Sharon’s cabinet on Wednesday night, would target the main militant groups with arrests, raids and “targeted killings.”
He said the strikes would hit Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, groups that declared a three-month cease-fire on June 29 under pressure from the reformist Palestinian prime minister to prop up the “road map” peace plan.
“Israel will take action as retaliation against the terror organizations,” the source said. “We cannot trust the Palestinian Authority to do the job.”
The Palestinian Authority doesn't have the power to take down all the terror organizations bent on war rather than peace with Israel. While this is a problem a bigger problem are those within the PA who offer support to these terror groups. PM Abbas has a difficult situation on his hands, the next 24 hours should be very telling.
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The Palestinian Authority doesn't have the power to take down all the terror organizations bent on war rather than peace with Israel. While this is a problem a bigger problem are those within the PA who offer support to these terror groups. PM Abbas has a difficult situation on his hands, the next 24 hours should be very telling.
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Does Israeli government have authority over Israeli military who keeps killing Hamas/IJ leaders even when ceasefire is announced and a peace process is underway?
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Report: Abbas tells Arafat to act against Hamas or his government will resign
Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas issued an ultimatum Wednesday to Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, demanding action against Hamas and warning that failure to do so would result in the resignation of Abbas and his government, Channel one Television quoted the French news agency as saying.
Abbas is a man without any real power base... I don't think that he will manage to see this out.
Back to square one, is my prediction. The Mid-east will be right back to where it was before Bush came in to power, and his name will be added next to the list of US presidents with failed Mid-East policies.
So far, the only two successes are Jimmy Carter (arranged a settlement amicable to both side between Israel and Egypt), and George Bush Senior (made 1992 happen)
Sorry.. I’m gonna have to side with Israel on this one. Anyone that defends Hamas on this count has gotta be a chimp.. How can you call off a truce after you attack people and then blame your ending of the truce on their retaliatory attack??