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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Senior Hamas leader Ismail Abu Shanab is a big hit, it shows that no member of Hamas is safe.
Hamas has called for PM leader Abbas to resign and leave Palestinian territory. -haaretz
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after suicide attact, it showed that no one in isreal is safe :~)
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*Originally posted by EntityParadigm: *
after suicide attact, it showed that no one in isreal is safe :~)
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I see you smile about the killing of children and babies, shows your true colors.
Seminole: What you are saying I agree but tell me how would one take revenge in a situation like this? Not everyone has big heart to forgive. Now this guy blew himself and he killed those innocent Israelis. What do you have say when the great Israeli army will go and kill hundereds of innocent PA's who doesn't even have the right to defend themselves?
nomaan: Care to explain how you will be able to punish the person who killed your son? For the sake of arugment lets say sharon (or who ever the Israeli president) order his army to go and hunt down these PA's and kill them. One of them happen to be your son. Now you will go after sharon or the army or ???
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
I see you smile about the killing of children and babies, shows your true colors.
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palestinians have lost babies and children aswell. i see no one crying for them. why should i feel sorry for these ppl. if their government is making wrong decisions then ppl should not support them. but unfortunately they are in a war-zone and it happens in wars, innocent die on both sides so kindly don't ask me not to smile. :~)
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Originally posted by teaser: *
**nomaan:* Care to explain how you will be able to punish the person who killed your son? For the sake of arugment lets say sharon (or who ever the Israeli president) order his army to go and hunt down these PA's and kill them. One of them happen to be your son. Now you will go after sharon or the army or ???
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See, i like things to have order, a structure in society. you seem to be all for revenge attacks by mobs and vigilanties. If someone gets killed, let the authorities take care of things, and justice can be achieved.
now if there is a war going on, that is different. It falls under a different set of rules. i've posted a link for them before. I wouldn't want women and children being killed on either side. if they do get killed on our side, i would still wan't religion to dictate how to proceed. I don't think its easy for me to say, forget islam, they're doing it, we'll do it as well.
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*Originally posted by EntityParadigm: *
palestinians have lost babies and children aswell. i see no one crying for them. why should i feel sorry for these ppl. if their government is making wrong decisions then ppl should not support them. but unfortunately they are in a war-zone and it happens in wars, innocent die on both sides so kindly don't ask me not to smile. :~)
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The difference between most civilized people and you is that most civilized people understand that innocents die in wars but are saddened by those deaths while you choose to smile at the dismembered parts of babies, women, children and old men returning from prayer. Further, most civilized people view deaths of innocents in wars as a horrible but certain cost of war that should only occur as unpreventable or accidental byproducts of striking legitimate military or command and control targets. You, on the other hand, smile at and find legitimate the killing of innocents as the primary target of an attack.
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*Originally posted by nomaan: *
See, i like things to have order, a structure in society. you seem to be all for revenge attacks by mobs and vigilanties. If someone gets killed, let the authorities take care of things, and justice can be achieved.
now if there is a war going on, that is different. It falls under a different set of rules. i've posted a link for them before. I wouldn't want women and children being killed on either side. if they do get killed on our side, i would still wan't religion to dictate how to proceed. I don't think its easy for me to say, forget islam, they're doing it, we'll do it as well.
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If you would like to have things in order than go tell Israel to abide by the rules of law not they should do what they want.
And you don't think PA and Israel both are not in war? Does war has to be in a battle field?
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*Originally posted by nomaan: *
See, i like things to have order, a structure in society. you seem to be all for revenge attacks by mobs and vigilanties. If someone gets killed, let the authorities take care of things, and justice can be achieved.
now if there is a war going on, that is different. It falls under a different set of rules. i've posted a link for them before. I wouldn't want women and children being killed on either side. if they do get killed on our side, i would still wan't religion to dictate how to proceed. I don't think its easy for me to say, forget islam, they're doing it, we'll do it as well.
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tell this to those who have lost their loved ones. tell them to debate all that on a religious base. i'm sure they will understand an outsider's point of view :~)
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
The difference between most civilized people and you is that most civilized people understand that innocents die in wars but are saddened by those deaths while you choose to smile at the dismembered parts of babies, women, children and old men returning from prayer. Further, most civilized people view deaths of innocents in wars as a horrible but certain cost of war that should only occur as unpreventable or accidental byproducts of striking legitimate military or command and control targets. You, on the other hand, smile at and find legitimate the killing of innocents as the primary target of an attack.
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ur sermon is good for ur ppl only who accept the deaths of innocent ppl by the hands of their own troops as mere mistakes when mistakes are being made on regular bases. and civilized ppl live in ur country only. also human rights and human-life values exists within ur country only.
i find the killing legitimate in isreal bcoz they are living on an occupited land. if they don't want to get killed then get out of there and move back to USA. afterall, 90% have gone from states :~)
btw you can these suicide bombers as your precision-target-missile which have killed more innocent ppl than intended targets. not big difference there :~)
Revenge before religion, is that what you follow EP?
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*Originally posted by EntityParadigm: *
ur sermon is good for ur ppl only who accept the deaths of innocent ppl by the hands of their own troops as mere mistakes when mistakes are being made on regular bases. and civilized ppl live in ur country only. also human rights and human-life values exists within ur country only.
i find the killing legitimate in isreal bcoz they are living on an occupited land. if they don't want to get killed then get out of there and move back to USA. afterall, 90% have gone from states :~)
btw you can these suicide bombers as your precision-target-missile which have killed more innocent ppl than intended targets. not big difference there :~)
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If I thought for one minute that the vast majority of Palestinians believed as you do, I would support upping our aid to Israel by about an additional $10 billion per year and encourage Israel to forcibly remove every Palestinian man, woman and child out of the occupied territories and keep them out forever.
why do i even bother tyring to argue with these guys .,.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
If I thought for one minute that the vast majority of Palestinians believed as you do, I would support upping our aid to Israel by about an additional $10 billion per year and encourage Israel to forcibly remove every Palestinian man, woman and child out of the occupied territories and keep them out forever.
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reaction too will be as swift :~)
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*Originally posted by nomaan: *
why do i even bother tyring to argue with these guys .,.
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reason is simple. you have'nt provced a single thing except bringing in islam all the time. which is right but like i said so and preach all that too the ones who have lost loved ones. if they are willing to listen to you then all the best if not then you can't blame them either. :~)
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
The difference between most civilized people and you is that most civilized people understand that innocents die in wars but are saddened by those deaths while you choose to smile at the dismembered parts of babies, women, children and old men returning from prayer. Further, most civilized people view deaths of innocents in wars as a horrible but certain cost of war that should only occur as unpreventable or accidental byproducts of striking legitimate military or command and control targets. You, on the other hand, smile at and find legitimate the killing of innocents as the primary target of an attack.
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yeah right, we call it "collateral damage". We do not smile but we come across smug and arrogant. Israelis kill innocent palestanians everyday, I do not see you opening up threads about those killings. I did not see you opening up a thread about the killing of a little boy that was caught on tape and showed all over the world. Will you like to remind us what was the spin put on by Israelis? I cannot seem to recall.
Quit your whining about civilized society, when you show no sadness over the loss of life on the palestanian side.
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
yeah right, we call it "collateral damage". We do not smile but we come across smug and arrogant. Israelis kill innocent palestanians everyday, I do not see you opening up threads about those killings. I did not see you opening up a thread about the killing of a little boy that was caught on tape and showed all over the world. Will you like to remind us what was the spin put on by Israelis? I cannot seem to recall.
Quit your whining about civilized society, when you show no sadness over the loss of life on the palestanian side.
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and they will never do that. for them lose of life is acceptable as long as their own are safe. noomaan seems to be in the same frame of mind. a few isrealis got killed and he's here with islam nd its teaching. many innocent have been killed on palestinian side but seems like for them islam is mute. their deaths are fine. they were in the wrong place at the wrong time so let them be killed. their fault,end of story and all is forgotten. but isrealis are totally different. they are above humans, a whole different kind. whose ppl are worth mentoning everytime they get killed. :~)
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
If I thought for one minute that the vast majority of Palestinians believed as you do, I would support upping our aid to Israel by about an additional $10 billion per year and encourage Israel to forcibly remove every Palestinian man, woman and child out of the occupied territories and keep them out forever.
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That is exactly why we have check and balances in place. Fortunately, you have only one vote. Consider it cancelled, because I will certainly vote against it.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
If I thought for one minute that the vast majority of Palestinians believed as you do, I would support upping our aid to Israel by about an additional $10 billion per year and encourage Israel to forcibly remove every Palestinian man, woman and child out of the occupied territories and keep them out forever.
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Ah yes, the righteous one finally shows his true colors. Admit it, deep inside you hate all Muslims and want them dead. That's what you and your presidents religion truly teach. Don't try to deny it. The religious right in the USA and the zionist leaders in Israel have said this openly. Sharon has said many times that there will never be a Palestine. So, I find these deals being made with the Palestinians so amusing. Reality is that this war will continue and until Israel realises that it can not win the war militarily, peace will be achieved. Many in Israel believe that the war can not be won. The others are simply in denial. American money keeps them in this state of denial. Oh well, even America doesn't have that much money.
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*Originally posted by xguru: *
Ah yes, the righteous one finally shows his true colors. Admit it, deep inside you hate all Muslims and want them dead. That's what you and your presidents religion truly teach. Don't try to deny it. The religious right in the USA and the zionist leaders in Israel have said this openly. Sharon has said many times that there will never be a Palestine. So, I find these deals being made with the Palestinians so amusing. Reality is that this war will continue and until Israel realises that it can not win the war militarily, peace will be achieved. Many in Israel believe that the war can not be won. The others are simply in denial. American money keeps them in this state of denial. Oh well, even America doesn't have that much money.
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Xguru , i do agree with u but that thing about America doesnt have that much money is wrong. I just heard on CNN today , i think USA is giving and AID package worth 10 Billion., now thats a loot of money .,
SST
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
The difference between most civilized people and you is that most civilized people understand that innocents die in wars but are saddened by those deaths while you choose to smile at the dismembered parts of babies, women, children and old men returning from prayer. Further, most civilized people view deaths of innocents in wars as a horrible but certain cost of war that should only occur as unpreventable or accidental byproducts of striking legitimate military or command and control targets. You, on the other hand, smile at and find legitimate the killing of innocents as the primary target of an attack.
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It is only people like you who think this is a war among equals. I am sure if the Palestinians had all the guns and the Israelis had nothing, the Israelis would be doing the same thing. Infact, they did do the very same thing about 60 years ago to the British and Palestinians. Read what the first Israeli PM had to say about this. He was your first terrorist in this war. The Israelis got their country by blowing up buildings. I don't see you condeming their acts.
This is war. A war between the Israelis and Palestinians for land. People live on land. People are killed in war. It doesn't matter how they are killed. Each side uses whatever they have to fight the war. Give the Palestinians the same kind of weaponary and training and they will gladly like to push buttons to kill Israeli soldiers and collatoral damage that goes with it.