You people need to read up on Islam before commenting on such matters....
Burka is not a part of Islam, never was and never will be...
It was a Persian Custom for rich Persians to hide their faces from lower class people and when Arabs conquered Persia it was adopted into their dress code...
i know what u mean..but it's tradition which was actually gotten from the jews...and i know mixing tradition with religion is a bad mix..but it's been like this for hundreds of years..why change it now..if they can walk around half naked then why cant muslim ladies do as they please..all i'm saying is why are they trying to break tradition..and why now..they didnt have a problem with it before..
Yeah, but that's the thing. Who is anyone to really decide whether the burqa is really Islamic or not? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't think it is, but then that's my personal belief. I'm not going to make an official decision on it, and force everyone to follow it, though.
Attempting to regulate religious customs, whether they're really part of the religion or invented some centuries ago, is not up to the government. As long as its not hurting anyone, no government has the right to regulate any particular religion. I think that's where the problem comes in.
For examples, taking communion is viewed by many non-Catholic Christians as a made-up tradition that has no place in Christianity. What if a country decided to ban taking communion? Wouldn't it be absurd and seen as an attack on a group of religious people?
The same thing is true for the burqa. You and I might see it as unnecessary and archaic, but just as we have the religious freedom not to practice it, you need to respect the idea of religious freedom and provide it to others too.
The more you take this stuff away from muslims, you're going to get nothing but a reactionary movement from muslims. People will start wearing the burqa and hijab just to make a statement and piss people off.
Why go to that extent?
If these governments don't want muslims in their society, then they shouldn't have let them immigrate into their countries in the first place.
it is not islamic...no where in the quran does it say a woman must wear a burqa..but it's tradition..covering the head is ... and the covering bosom is recommended...also fewer than 100 ladies wear a burka in the Netherlands..
can you provide a reference to back your claims please? mixing religion with tradition is not bad.. Islam is Pakistan's official relgion and a gift! Men should be encouraged to grow beard and women cover themselves up completely... always, we can't follow ills of our neighboring country. Islam gives maximum freedom to women but if womenfolk want to go outside their home for shopping etc., they are free to do so but they should seek permission of some male in their house and escorted by someone (husband, dad or brother cousin)..it's common sense!
no where in the Quran does it say a female must cover her body head to toe..it says to cover your head only..no where does it say to wear a burka…and my reference?? cant u see…luk at the christains and the jews..they all cover their heads..but if u read the quran or its translation..it doesnt tell us to do so…
and u wanted reference..then here u go…
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Hijab" or veil can be traced back to early civilizations. It can be found in early and late Roman and Greek art. The evidence can be seen in archeological discoveries whether in pottery fragments, paintings or recorded civil laws. In Greco-Roman culture, both women and men wore head covering in religious contexts. **The tradition of wearing the veil (by women) and the headcover (by men) was then adopted by the Jews who wrote it in the Talmud (Talmud equals the Hadiths and Sunna, neither are the words of God) then the Christians adopted the same. A well respected Rabbi once explained to a group of Jewish young women, “****We do not find a direct command in the Torah mandating that women cover their heads, but we do know that this has been the continuing custom for thousands of years.” ****After the prophet Muhammad’s death , the writers of the hadith books adopted and encouraged the ancient tradition of head covering. Hadith book’ writers took after the Jews as they did with many other traditions , and alleged them to the prophet since the Quran did not command it.
Regardless of the attempt to assimilate or discriminate, the attempt to ban burqa is a very intolerable decision by the government in Netherlands. If they want to assimilate Muslims in their communities, they need to listen to them, give them opportunities in job and not criminalize their behavior, dress or the way they live.
This attempt just like many other by many countries since the 9/11 attacks have only made things worse in the West. They have pushed the communities aside, beside several attempts by Muslims to hold hands and be on their side on “War on Terror”. These mainly have resulted in “War on Muslim believes and culture”.
I think the reason behind is that west have mostly over-hyped the threat of terror. I do not dismiss the threat but these irrational laws by government just proves it, moreover to see Muslims in general not be outrage by it is a shame, I think no women regardless of her faith or cultural believes would like “Men” to tell them what to wear. I mean tell me how many women in their parliaments came up with this idea?
wearing burqa and being accompanied by a male member of the family is only for safety of women.. I argued with a lot of so called "modernized" girls in Lahore and they believe that women should be allowed to wear whatever they want.. even mini skirts or show their cleavafe, piercings etc.. I say laanat to these women.
If we look at Muslim women in the world, less than fifty percent of them wear burqa. I believe if the restriction in most of the Middle Eastern countries is lifted, the result will the same, women may be just covering their head. Maybe I am wrong but most of the Muslim women these days would resort to a big coat that covers their body than burqa but the case is not about liking or not. The government is using this law to discriminate and criminalize people and that is where it is wrong.
i agree and from those 50% or less...only about 25% actually do it because of religion..half of the time...women are told to do it..because...of the good old line...."what will the people say/think?
whatever you say, women are safest in Islamic countries.. I met an American white women in Lahore who's married to a Pakistani punjabi guy and she told me that she was thinking of settling down in Lahore cuz she felt ppl were friendlier, guys were not lusty and they don't stare at other women. On the other hand, all her ex-boyfriends used her as sleeping partner.
do you have any idea what it feels like to be a woman?? i dont think so..i on the other hand know...when i came to pakistan..you should've seen the lust in the mens eyes...all men are the same when it comes to lust..and guys do stare..where have u been? are u sure you know what you're talking about
I don't know why only Pakistan gets such a bad name.. Look at India and Bollywood.. how shamelessly their heroines show their bodies.. I can't speak for other provinces but Punjabis are not bad when it comes to women.. we treat all women as if they were ours. Sorry if you had a bad experience in Pakistan.. thori bahut kharaabi har mulk ich hai.. where do you live? in Peshawar?
yes i do..but this didnt all happen in peshawar..karachi wasnt any different..but all i'm trying to say is...it doesnt matter if it was Pakistan..being a pakistani doesnt mean you're any better than someone...because when it comes to lust..every guy is the same...and how does any of this relate to the topic of this thread????.
(Edit: Response to Sara) ^O Plz lighten up, it was the womens opinion, not the opinion of all the women in the world, plus any positive remark about Pakistan or Pakistani's in general doesn't mean the end of the world. However i do agree, there are horny guys where ever you go, and they like to stare at things that catch their eyes.
I am not a woman but I know how they feel and I talk to a lot of them and have taken their opinions about how they feel in Pakistan vs. west and they say Pakistan stands out when it comes to treating women better.. before asking me shut up, have you been to Pakistan? your profiles says you are in NYC.. first, go and live in Pakiland before thrashing itt. are you a Pakistani? I doubt it.. women are treated better in Islam..