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abhay yrself :p
i'll reply later
gotta rush now
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PCG, don’t embarrass yourself. This survey was going in last September/October as stated in the article. The only that happend in 2002 is that the Aga Khan board was included in the national educational system. None of this was part of its content then. As of a current news update, there is still an internal tussle ongoing between education officials of various provinces. But this is being and has already been implemented in many private schools. And need I remind you, 90% of the educational institutions in Pakistan are private.
MehnazQ, spoken like a true liberal :k:. I am all for sex education, but I don’t think that 10-11 year old prepubescents are the ideal audience. Introduce this at the Matric and FSc and college/university levels. Don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want my 10 year old daughter to be exposed to such material.
Musharraf’s endorsements? LMAO, wake up and smell the coffee. He is the dictator of Pakistan, he has the final say in all things in Pakistan from cricket to education. He has been a public supporter of this.
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I agree this stuff has always been happening and will continue to happen regardless of who is in power in a certain small elite part of society. But bringing such garbage into the mainstream which Musharraf has openly declared in his infamous enlightened moderation crap, will spread this disease to all parts of society including the middle class.
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I agree that 4rth and 7th graders are not the ideal audience. But you accused of Musharraf bringing in these trends as described in the original article of the thread. You can't say these questionaires are causing any such trends - they've been in place well before.
You have even furthered my case. The design that the government adapted did not have such questionaires. So, how is Musharraf endorsing any of this?
Has Musharraf come out and made a public statement regarding this issue on the questionaire?
Even though 90% of the schools are private (I dont know if you're right on these stats), then even THEN musharraf is not responsible. This is a move made by private schools - hence like I told irem...these changes are being generated WITHIN the people. Not from Musharraf.
Although, there is definitely the hypocrisy there. Meera gets fined for her scandal in the Indian movie. But this is allowed.
Of all the questions, there is only one that I think is highly inappropriate and that is "do you practice safe sex?"
That assumes the child is having sex, and might give impression to children that its okay to have sex before marriage, and that too at the age of 11.
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skhan, please, I prefer the affectionate term of "mod-Muslim" ... not "liberal" :)
The article doesn't say anything about the age these kids are being given sex education. All it says is that the survey was by the University Examination Board of Aga Khan. I'm guessing that would be late teens?? Not 10 year olds. I never said 10 year olds should be taught this stuff, nor would I encourage it until kids are actually ready and will be able to fully grasp what they are being taught. No where have you illustrated how Mushi is responsible for all of this.
Fair enough, you and Irem are both from Karachi and obviously are more passionate about this issue than any of us 'westerners'. All I know is that both times I've gone back to Karachi, people are more pleased and feel much more safe than when the MQM were going buck wild in the streets.
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Yes PCG, you are seeing the light, slowly but surely. First off, the National Education Board of Pakistan is NOT private.
Secondly, this is ALL Musharraff. It’s his brainchild. He signed an EXECUTIVE ORDER for it.
http://www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=419
Thirdly, not inappopriate? Try these:
Have you seen your sister naked? If yes, what type of feelings you had in your mind? Did you ever think of having sex with her?
Is your father having sex with you? Is your brother having sex with you?
Have you been sleeping with your mother in the childhood? Did you ever see her naked? If yes, what type of feelings you had in your mind?
When was the last time you saw your mother naked?
Mind you, you are speaking with the benefit of an American situation. The majority of Pakistan, have a very different mindset. Consider the impact in that context.
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Btw... MQM was not the only organized group stirring trouble Karachi. I believe the government was also involved.
Also, introducing sex-ed at the age of 10 is not a bad idea. That is when most of us start to mature and develop. Hence, delaying it to gr. 10 (when you're around 16 years of age) may not be the best time to introduce sex-ed. By that age, you have learned a lot about the maturity and growth through other unreliable sources.
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OK, mod-Muslim it is 
MQ, you have voiced my concerns EXACLTLY. Please see the link above. This has been conducted to 11-15 year olds for crying out loud. Like I said, I know from first hand, like aunts and uncles whose 12 year olds have been exposed to this. Needless to say it was a very confusing and traumatic experience for them.
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Sadiyah, if you read carefully, the questions asked have nothing to do with sex ed. They are simply asked in assumption that the person answering the questions is sexually active. And I don’t think we start off with safe sex lectures at the age of 10, the level of comprehension and knowledge at that age is FAR from that stage (usually).
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And yes, regarding the MQM, that was a extremely violent period back in the 90's that you people are referring to. Nowadays they have conformed with the government (technically) and hold positions of power therefore reducing the need for any "rebellions".
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well isnt that good…why should women stay in an unhappy marriage where they have no respect…its their right…Farhat Hashmi is causing the muslims of pakistan to wake up and live as muslims not just muslims by name which what pak needs…inshallah there will be more like her to come…
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maybe it is the thought of having sex with a man that has no respect for them…i dont think that just becoz they are religious they become sort of allergic to sex…sex is encouraged in Islam..that is in halal ways!
i think its more to do with compatibility, the women change themselves for the better they become practising muslims their outlook changes, their aims etc and their husband is the opposite,maybe he doesnt want to change and doesnt like this new image of his wife being religous…and thus the connection, the closeness they had weakens, frustrations increase, their ideologies clash and the marriage fails…
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Free Muslims against Terrorism?
What source is this? 
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Haha, out of all the posts and discussions you ignore everything but pick out the source. Then again, it’s not suprising coming from someone who thinks private schools decide the educational policies of Pakistan. Or from someone that doesn’t know an executive order from the President usually means endorsement.
CNN or MSNBC do not usually include changes in Pakistan educational curriculum as part of their coverage. Therefore, you may take that as a cue to bury your head back in the ground.
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Nothing wrong with any of this. I’d rather kids (both boys and girls) learn about sex, STDs and drug use and abuse in a structured environment than from their (equally clueless) friends and peers.
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PS: skhan, it's all going on around them, and it's everywhere; it's very pragmatic of Musharraf administration to discuss the issue/situation than bury its head in the sand.
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PPI, Jamat Islami, PPP and other piddly groups were involved in the violent times of Karachi. If you are bringing up Karachi’s violent days, let’s talk about the aligarh colony massacre and similar incidents in the old city of hyderabad, something that BB acknowledged as a cover up during zia regime.
You really don’t have a clue what you are talking about!
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Absolutely!
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Ask old Karachiites about pre-Zia days and what went on in the posh neighborhoods.
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If you want to discuss the history of Karachi, you are more than welcome to do so in another thread.
Once your theory got shot full of holes you start rambling off topic 