[FONT=Trebuchet MS]One of the forms of shirk which is particularly widespread in Muslim countries is: grave-worship, the belief that dead awliyaa’ (“saints”) can fulfil one’s needs or help at times of distress, and calling upon them for aid. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him . . .” [al-Israa’ 17:23] **
*[FONT=Trebuchet MS]Similarly, they call upon dead Prophets, righteous people and others to intercede for them or to rescue them from some calamity, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations? Is there any *ilaah (god) with Allaah? . . .” [al-Naml 27:62]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS]Some of them have adopted the habit of mentioning the name of a shaykh or wali (“saint”) when they stand up, or sit down, or stumble, or encounter problems or distress, so they might say “O Muhammad!” or “O ‘Ali!” or “O Husayn!” or “O Badawi!” or “O Jeelaani!” or “O Shaadhili!” or “O Rifaa’i!” - or they may call upon al-’Aydaroos or Sayyidah Zaynab or Ibn ‘Alwaan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily those whom you call upon besides Allaah are slaves like you . . .” [al-A’raf 7:194]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS]Some of those who worship graves walk around them as if in Tawaaf, and acknowledge their corners, or touch them, kiss them, wipe their faces with their dust, prostrate towards them when they see them, or stand before them in fear and humility, praying for whatever they need of healing from some disease, or for a child, or for help with some difficulty. Sometimes they call upon the occupant of the grave, saying “O my master, I have come to you from far away, so do not let me down.” **
**[FONT=Trebuchet MS]But Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And who is more astray than one who calls (invokes) besides Allaah such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them?” [al-Ahqaaf 46:5]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS] The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever dies calling on someone else as a rival to Allaah, will enter Hell.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 8/176).
*[FONT=Trebuchet MS] Some of them shave their heads at the graves, and some have books with titles like *Manaasik Hajj al-Mashaahid (“The Rituals of Pilgrimage to Shrines”), mashaahid or shrines referring to graves or tombs of awliyaa’. Some of them believe that the awliyaa’ are running the affairs of the universe and that they have the power to benefit or harm. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And if Allaah touches you with hurt, there is none who can remove it but He; and if He intends any good for you, there is no one who can repel His Favour . . .” [Yoonus 10:107] **
*[FONT=Trebuchet MS] It is also *shirk to make a vow to any other than Allaah, as is done by those who vow to bring candles or lights for the occupants of the graves. **
Shia believe that the Imams are infallible and posses many attributes of Allah. But the Shia don’t stop there; they have taken it to the next level. The Shia have erected shrines over the graves of their Imams. Millions of Shia from all over the world visit these shrines in Iran and Iraq to pray in them.
The Ahlus Sunnah is stunned by this pagan practise of creating shrines and grave-worshipping. The Shia will argue that they really aren’t praying to the deceased, but that really doesn’t make any sense. Why then do they travel all the way to Iran to do prayer? Surely they believe there is *some *benefit of praying next to the body of a deceased Imam? Otherwise, why would they come from so far to do it?
Shrines are completely Haram (forbidden) in Islam because they are paganistic and polythiestic in nature. Historically, Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) destroyed all the shrines in Mecca. This point cannot be stressed enough: the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) shed blood of the Sahabah in order that Mecca be cleansed of shrines, and this was one of the Prophet’s first legislative acts after the Muslims conquered Mecca. How is it that the Shia do not realize that what they are doing is completely antithetical to the entire mission of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) who was sent to guide a shrine-worshipping people?
The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) repeatedly condemned grave-worshipping in the authentic Hadith:
“Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.” (Sahih Muslim)
“May Allah’s curse be on the Jews for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)
“May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)
“If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creature in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Bukhari)
“Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them.” (Sahih Bukhari)
The first time in human history that people commited the sin of idol-worship was around the time of Prophet Nuh (عليه السلام). A very pious man passed away. Shaytan whispered in the ears of the tonwnspeople: he urged them never to forget this pious man lest the townspeople abandon his example and be lost to sin. Once Shaytan had convinced them of the necessity to revere the memory of this pious dead man, he then then convinced them to erect a shrine over the grave of this man. Eventually, the people started praying in the shrine, and soon thereafter Shaytan convinced them to pray to the deceased man.
It was in this step by step fashion that Shaytan was able to misguide people into Shirk. He convinced them that they were doing a good thing by respecting a pious man, and he allowed them to add one Bidah (evil innovation) after another, infusing polythiestic practise in their belief. Likewise do the Shia believe that they are being pious by visiting shrines but in reality they have been fooled by Shaytan.
Of course, the Shia will make the futile argument that they really aren’t praying to the deceased person. It just so happens that they pray next to the grave and supplicate. Indeed, this argument sounds very similar to what modern-day Hindus claim. Hindus say that they don’t really worship the idol itself, that they really are worshipping God, and that they are just facing the idol. We see there is very little difference between what the Shia say and what the Hindus say.
The Islamic ethos deplores all idol-worshipping and is very strict in forbidding it. There is absolutely no point in praying next to someone’s grave. There is no benefit in it, and grave-worship is considered a grave sin (no pun intended). It is Shirk, and no matter what the intention is, it is still praying to the creation instead of the Creator. We urge any Shia reading this to immediately cease engaging in idol-worshipping. If a Muslim wants to “pay his respects” to a religious person of old, the best way to do that is to be an upright Muslim: to read Quran, to pray Salat, to give Zakat, to make Hajj, and to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) does not want anyone to commit Shirk to him. Ali (رضّى الله عنه) does not want anyone to commit Shirk to him. Neither would any pious person ever want someone to use them to commit Shirk. The pious Muslims of the past would only want the Muslims of today to also be pious.
It is polythiestic the manner in which the Shia go to their shrines and cry next to them, rub them, and pray to them. It is Shirk reminscent of the Jahiliyyah times when the pagan Arabs used to do this. Tawheedullah (the Unity and Oneness of Allah) is the central tenet of Islam, and the Shia are guilty of violating this core belief by engaging in Shirk, which is the absolute major sin in Islam. The main emphasis in Islam is to stay away from Shirk, and yet the Shia embrace practises and customs that foster Shirk.
So in other words its like justifying one wrong with another? Two wrongs doesnt make one right!
It depends if you think the former a wrong.
You can check here for images of the graves of the Sahabi Khalid ibn Walid, Imam al-Bukhari and Imam Abu Hanifah.
Graves of Sahabi Khalid ibn Walid - ShiaChat.com
That would expose the Salafi hypocrisy.
are u saying tht anything not done by the Prophet by himself becomes automaticaly unislamic?
for example, the escalators in the masjidul haraam were not put in by the Prophet, are they unislamic and deservant to be destroyed too?
Faulty argument!
Escalators, pcs , Buses, Motorcycles and others are utlities and have nothing to do with Islam but yes if u start bowing before a bus..........and say that buses are source of blessings..then your are doing something that islam prohibits.
Shrines are hence not islamic according to Quran and Sunnah. Our Prophet peace be upon him was strictly against building shrines and doing graveworship. In his last khutbah to the Ummah he specially mentioned it and warned the ummah about it
Salafies are indeed better than shias . Caz Salafies adhere to touheed and don’t attribute properties of Allah to others. Also, salafies don’t do grave worship.
Re: Building shrines over graves
I would like to say :
" THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH , ONLY HE IS ALL POWERFULL, HE HAS ALL THE BLESSINGS OF FATE AND GRAVES CAN GIVE ME NOTHING"
Re: Building shrines over graves
SAY YES TO ALLAH - HE IS SOURCE OF ALL POWERS and NO the graves of the Dead. Only make dua , prayers for the dead and say Fatiha
Re: Building shrines over graves
SAY YES TO ALLAH - HE IS SOURCE OF ALL POWERS and NO the graves of the Dead. Only make dua , prayers for the dead and say Fatiha
^^^^what do u think rest do ?? ask ppl in the grave to pay their loans ???
^^^^what do u think rest do ?? ask ppl in the grave to pay their loans ???
The rest goes to graves and ask the deads for blessings and also the tradition of **Manat **is common in Pakistan, where specially the women folk goes to these mazaars and ask for blessings and in return make promises that if Allah listens to them through these graves they will return the favour by doing someting good.
They also put chaddars on mazaars, expensive ones imagine we have poor people who have no good clothes to wear and these superstitious people spend thousands of rupees on decoration of mazaars.
Allah will be more happy with us if we give this money the poor for food and clothing.
The rest goes to graves and ask the deads for blessings and also the tradition of **Manat **is common in Pakistan, where specially the women folk goes to these mazaars and ask for blessings and in return make promises that if Allah listens to them through these graves they will return the favour by doing someting good.
They also put chaddars on mazaars, expensive ones imagine we have poor people who have no good clothes to wear and these superstitious people spend thousands of rupees on decoration of mazaars.
Allah will be more happy with us if we give this money the poor for food and clothing.
Allah will be more happy if spent ur time reciting Quran rather than trying to prove others wrong just coz u disagree with em. Offer some nawafil, cut down ur net off and send that money to some poor ppl in pak.
Salafies are indeed better than shias . Caz Salafies adhere to touheed and don't attribute properties of Allah to others. Also, salafies don't do grave worship.
yea, thats why u guys r cause of evil from day one until 2day where all over the world troubles from Phillipines and Thailand to Pakistan and Iraq are created by this evil creed of wahabism.
Faulty argument!
Escalators, pcs , Buses, Motorcycles and others are utlities and have nothing to do with Islam but yes if u start bowing before a bus..........and say that buses are source of blessings..then your are doing something that islam prohibits.
Shrines are hence not islamic according to Quran and Sunnah. Our Prophet peace be upon him was strictly against building shrines and doing graveworship. In his last khutbah to the Ummah he specially mentioned it and warned the ummah about it
who bows to graves? i only see your kings bowing to USA and their zionist masters
until 2 decades ago your muftis were adamant that the earth is flat. lol
this until one of your saudi prince went up in space with Nasa (which according to u will be Bidda) and came back and told ur Sheikh that he saw the earth to b round. That coming from a royal finally changed the mind of the mufti.
Allah will be more happy if spent ur time reciting Quran rather than trying to prove others wrong just coz u disagree with em. Offer some nawafil, cut down ur net off and send that money to some poor ppl in pak.
Looks like you ran out of arguments and became personal. No offense I gave an argument based on what i have heard from Islamic scholars. If you want to negate it then please come up with a counter argument
who bows to graves? i only see your kings bowing to USA and their zionist masters
Faulty logic...you are mixing religion with politics.
If the President of Venezuela doesnt bow to USA it doesn't mean that Catholics are against USA......or if the Denmark sends its troops to Afghanistan as part of NATO alliance it doesnt mean...that the Lutheran church is Pro American.
Saudia like any other country has diplomatic relations with USA. Bringing USA in a purely religious discussions shows shallowness of your argument.
let me give u a basic guideline that would help you a lot when it comes to religious discussion and the guideline is ;
" Religion matters discussed with arguments Based on QURAN & Hadith"
and Not
" With XYZ Country has relations with ABC COuntry"
FOr instance I provide you with a Ayah that Muslims are ordained to Pray Salat.......and you deny it with an argument that " NO I wont Pray caz Saudia has relations with USA?":):)
Hoping to get a more mature argument from you next time
Till then CIAO
Re: Building shrines over graves
^ u r quite thick but its not your fault i guess. repetitively saying faulty logic wont get u too far. first u tried to encourage your AliBhai to ruin this thread but when he did a runner u have come to ruin this thread with ur waywardness and now u want to tell me the diff b/w politics and religion. lol well done.
lets start with reading ur 200 year old history and find out who the real daddy of Abdul Wahab was. and who helped him get in power by ridding off Sharif Hussain of Mecca. once u have done that then we may start on politics and religion. in Islam btw both r inseperable but there is 2 contrasting kinds. One is Islamic politics and one is Sufyani Bani Ummaya politics.
Re: Building shrines over graves
persistent Wahabhi ranting that other Muslims indulge in grave worship reminds me of this joke
A. r u Aslam?
B. No i am not Aslam, sorry
A. Aslam, u used to b tall, bulky guy now u r short and lean?
B. But i am not Aslam
A. Aslam, u used to be dark, ugly guy now u r fair and handsome?
B. bro, i am not Aslam
A. Aslam u used to have beard and long hair now u have shaved and carry new hairstyle?
B. I told u i am not Aslam, my name is Akram
A. God damn, u have changed ur name too!!!!!
Re: Building shrines over graves
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Looks like you ran out of arguments and became personal. No offense I gave an argument based on what i have heard from Islamic scholars. If you want to negate it then please come up with a counter argument
dude, frnd, buddy, i was never arguing with u, i asked u a question and u gave me the asnwer above
The rest goes to graves and ask the deads for blessings and also the tradition of **Manat **is common in Pakistan, where specially the women folk goes to these mazaars and ask for blessings and in return make promises that if Allah listens to them through these graves they will return the favour by doing someting good.
They also put chaddars on mazaars, expensive ones imagine we have poor people who have no good clothes to wear and these superstitious people spend thousands of rupees on decoration of mazaars.
Allah will be more happy with us if we give this money the poor for food and clothing.
it was very appealing that we shldnt put chadars on mazar but spend money on feeding poor to make ALLAH Happy. on the base of ur inspiring answer i said
Allah will be more happy if spent ur time reciting Quran rather than trying to prove others wrong just coz u disagree with em. Offer some nawafil, cut down ur net off and send that money to some poor ppl in pak.
......and u didnt seem to like the idea of making ALLAH happy, so why dont u leave the poor women alone who want to put chadar on the mazar, she isnt paying from ur pocket so u shldnt be worried how expensive the chadar is. Every time someone spends money on anything but mulla of ur mosque u guys come up with a new fatwa.
and lol post # 57 was funny ;)
dude, frnd, buddy, i was never arguing with u, i asked u a question and u gave me the asnwer above
it was very appealing that we shldnt put chadars on mazar but spend money on feeding poor to make ALLAH Happy. on the base of ur inspiring answer i said
......and u didnt seem to like the idea of making ALLAH happy, so why dont u leave the poor women alone who want to put chadar on the mazar, she isnt paying from ur pocket so u shldnt be worried how expensive the chadar is. Every time someone spends money on anything but mulla of ur mosque u guys come up with a new fatwa.
and lol post # 57 was funny ;)
Yes Sir...they sky is blue the clouds are gray and fats ducks never fly so you are right!
This is the type of argument you deserve...lol I rest my case. I hope thats funny too!