Budget 2010-11

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Another Budget another promise..

In the history of Pakistan none of the govt have stayed on the numbers/promises it made during the budget session(s)/speech, reason is simple, none of the govt (so far) had shown any interest in the development of the nation, the fiscal policies rotates with the will of International Monetary Agencies/Funds.. So what does this budget has new? and where how this budget is going to help in curbing poverty and illiteracy in Pakistan

I have seen that the VAT has been widely discussed but shall not be imposed until October2010, the stated income from this tax shall be around 70-80 Billion ( correct me if i am wrong) and on the same note govt have increased the budget of Benazir Income Program ( a program to make nation more corrupt, lazy and beggar) from 46 b to 50 b as per news… ( the budget statement says that 40 b is set aside for this program)

my comment on above is, asking addition 70-80 b and spending 50 b on a useless program ??? how does it make sense??? instead this amount ( 50 b) could have been invested in the Pakistan, developing infrastructure of rural areas of Sindh, Balochistan, KP and Punjab would have helped people in generating income and save their honor in addition to the development of the region…

On the other note, (i may have missed it) but education sector has been neglected again, if i am right with the numbers than the amount allocated for this sector is as follows
Rs.15.762 billion for Higher Education Commission
Rs.5.140 billion for Education Division

Can’t we add anything on the educational sector from the Benazir Income program, if the govt is unable to build infrastructure the least they could have done is to increase the education fund, get rid of useless atta and income program, provide people with right education.. this will have multi-dimension return…

the Salient feature of the budget 2010-11 can be seen at Geo News: Latest News Breaking, Live Videos, World, Entertainment, Royal

Iam still wondering, what is the focus of this budget…

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Rs 400 billion for defense spending vs 20 billion for education. Missed placed priorities?

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At the cost of taxpayers’ money!

Monday, June 07, 2010
President, PM to spend millions on gardens’ protection

By Mehtab Haider

ISLAMABAD: In a country where poverty is on the rise due to sky rocketing inflation as well as the economy is in deep difficulties, the president and the prime minister are spending millions of rupees in the budget 2010-11 for maintenance of gardens at the cost of taxpayers’ money.

According to the Federal Medium Term Budget estimates for service delivery (2010-2013), presented in the National Assembly by the Ministry of Finance, along with other budget 2010-11 documents, showed that almost all other ministeries/divisions illustrated their strategy and vision to proceed further over the next three years, except the Prime Minister’s Secretariat and the President’s Secretariat, as both these top men don’t have a future vision to justify their incurred expenditures.

According to the official document, the maintenance of garden in the PM Secretariat will cost Rs 11.562 million in the fiscal budget 2010-11 against the original budgetary allocation of Rs 10.871 million in the outgoing fiscal 2009-10. The maintenance of gardens in the PM Secretariat is estimated to cost Rs 13.341 million in 2011-2012 and Rs 14.491 million in 2012-13.

In the President’s Secretariat, the maintenance of gardens is estimated to cost Rs 12.360 million in the fiscal year 2010-11, which will further go up to Rs 13.2 million in 2011-12 and Rs 14.16 million in 2012-13.

The health services for the President’s Secretariat are estimated to cost Rs 12.05 million in the budget 2010-11, Rs 12.6 million in 2011-12 and Rs 13.245 million in 2012-13.For giving presents, charities and discretionary grants by the president, the estimated cost is far less than the PM’s Secretariat as it stands at Rs 5.150 million in the budget 2010-11, which will remain in the same range in 2011-12 and 2012-13. However, traveling and conveyance service is estimated to cost Rs 36.97 million in 2010-11, Rs 38.7 million in 2011-12 and Rs 40.5 million in 2012-13.

The facilitation in smooth functioning of the President of Pakistan as the Head of State is estimated to cost Rs 196.135 million in 2010-11, Rs 206.655 million in 2011-12 and Rs 221.121 million in 2012-13.

However, to ensure smooth functioning of the Prime Minister’s Secretariat, according to rules and business, the service delivery is estimated to cost Rs 484.831 million in budget 2010-11.The prime minister is authorised to give presents, charities and discretionary grants worth Rs 30.440 million in the budget 2010-11 while this amount is estimated to go up to Rs 34.65 million in 2011-2012 and Rs 36.9 million in 2012-13.

The household services of the PM’s Secretariat are going to cost Rs 31.911 million in 2010-11, Rs 34.142 million in 2011-12 and Rs 36.653 million in 2012-13.The traveling and conveyance allowance of the PM Secretariat will cost the national exchequer to the tune of Rs 29.356 million in 2010-11, Rs 33.678 million in 2011-12 and Rs 36.376 million in 2012-13.

The health service will cost Rs 11.210 million in 2010-11, Rs 10.369 million in 2011-12 and Rs 11.564 million in 2012-13. On account of administrative services, the PM’s Secretariat will cost Rs 370.362 million in 2010-11, Rs 392.319 million in 2011-12 and Rs 419 million in 2012-13.

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I think with the terrorist threats we have, we do need this kind of budget.. but yes we could have increased the spending on education sector... but Benazir Income support of 40+ Billion was more necessary... it would give Rs. 1000 to every household ( i don't know who Rs 1000 is going to give them any kind of support)...

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maintenance of garden in the PM Secretariat Rs 11.562 million
maintenance of gardens in the PM Secretariat Rs 13.341 million
President’s Secretariat, the maintenance of gardens Rs 12.360 million
President’s Secretariat - health services for Rs 12.05 million
PM’s health service cost Rs 11.210 million

President of Pakistan as the Head of State is Rs 196.135 million
Prime Minister’s Secretariat, the service delivery Rs 484.831 million
The household services of the PM’s Secretariat are Rs 31.911 million
traveling and conveyance allowance of the PM Secretariat Rs 29.356 million
On account of administrative services, the PM’s Secretariat, Rs 370.362 million

The total cost of having a PM and President is Rs. 1,173.293 Million

and then we say we have budget deficit!!!

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yes but amount close to Rs 700 Million annually on salaries only... what is the strength of the staff and what is their role??? if i am paying their salaries ( i am tax payer) i need to know if this money is worth spending....

Gardens and BIP along with PSDP is KHACHAY..

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You do realize that includes the salaries per annum for all the staff in the secretariats right? As for the Gardens - I have no idea how that is even posisble.

Lastly the PPP is doing exactly what it did twice before when it was in power. Being corrupt, getting rich and screwing over Pakistan. 20 billion is a joke. The BIP is a joke. Instead of putting 50 billion there. Put it all in education. Give our kids a decent education so they don't need the BIP at all.

Bloody Jahils sitting in the government. Not to mention they increase our over all foreign debt by 12 billion alone.

Only I get such special treatment :D

Anyway Hanibal, normally the PM secretariat has establish support staff as their main base. You have the PM. His PA, Secretary and maybe a second PA for diplomatic issues. Follow that up with substantive staff. I am not familiar with the structure since Musharraf has been in power but they usually have 40 or so people that do actual work.

Then for those 40 people you have the Pakistani culture staff. The staff of the kitchen, the guys who give tea. The drivers, the guards, the cleaners etc.

Easily 100 people total. Then you pay them, then is the cost of office supplies, the furniture and security apparatus.

It adds up to a freaking lot but most of it is essential.

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The point of question is, do we need them? or are they worth it?

Anyway, RS 1.8 b for this kind of ayaashi is way to more when ur economy is based on DONATIONS... yes you can spend more.. and lot more if you are making this much money.. getting loans at our cost and having this SHAHANA life-style tells lot more

anyway, this spending is symbolic, i am sure there is lot more going on in the other ministries and in Parliament...

AS for special treatment is concerned, it is there because you are CM... some says CM means Chief Minister and some takes it as measuring unit and some connects it with women's monthly problems... :)

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Well that is a tough deal honestly. If you fire them there is a chain effect. You and I both know that one guy doesn't earn for himself in Pakistan. He earns for his family and for is parents and in some cases extended family. These offices are sources of employment and thus should be maintained.

However you are right about another thing. There are many facilities we do not need. You only need 1 bullet proof car for the PM. Not 4 or however many he has and those require expensive maintenance and all that jazz. There are a lot of unnecessary expenditures that can be taken out.

The question is about work or luxury. You want it to work I am guessing you can remove half the budget. But they don't wish to work. They want luxury.

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i dont think a welfare net is such a bad idea, given how much poverty we have in pakistan. yea we need to spend on education but take 50bln from the 400 bln of the military spending and put it there. pakistan also needs to spend less on higher education and more on colleges and schools.

the saying goes give a man a fish you help him a day teach a man to fish you help him for life. teach a dying man to fish and hes not that impressed.

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^^ had the amount Rs 1000 be able to help the poor, i might have not objected on it, however this will not help them in long or short term but will make them lazy and beggar by nature...

Instead the amount can be used for developing 20 rural areas of Pakistan, e.g Deer, Rajan-Pur, Jacobaabad, Badeen Khazdar, Laki-Marwat etc.. invest 2-3 billion per town and people will not only get jobs but the country will develop as well

Amount for education can be taken from PWP.. again a huge allocation for it and even govt is not sure what to do with this program the amount is almost 30 billion...

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^ Do you actually believe this Rs 1000 will make it to 35 lac families? (as I heard in one of the briefing) :hehe:

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the issue of corruption and the money not reaching the poor is really besides the point. the same can be said for education etc.

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had the amount Rs 1000 be able to help the poor, i might have not objected on it, however this will not help them in long or short term but will make them lazy and beggar by nature...

Instead the amount can be used for developing 20 rural areas of Pakistan, e.g Deer, Rajan-Pur, Jacobaabad, Badeen Khazdar, Laki-Marwat etc.. invest 2-3 billion per town and people will not only get jobs but the country will develop as well

Amount for education can be taken from PWP.. again a huge allocation for it and even govt is not sure what to do with this program the amount is almost 30 billion...

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Its not an either-or proposition. Why must one either do investment in growth or create a safety net for the poor? you say 1000 wont help the poor, have you asked the poor if they'd be happy to give up the 1000? It is obviously barely subsistence money, but it is designed to go to people who accept subsistence money and plausibly need subsistence money. As for people who receive welfare becoming lazy and beggar by nature, thats just wrong. Why does Islam have zakat and sadqa if that were true?

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Comments by Imran Khan..

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I am sorry but this is the most retarded thing I have ever read in this website. Instead of sustainable development that will last decades, support our industrial sector, deal with brain drain and inshallah establish a stronger middle class.....

.....you want to dole out 1000 rupees for the poor.

I mean seriously?

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its you lot who're setting up the choice. oh i dont get it, instead of building hospitals you want to build roads. you dont care about the sick? instead of putting out the fire we should build parks. where will our kids play?

if 'dole' is such a bad idea perhaps explain why most developed countries provide it for their citizens in one form or the other. you getting something they dont?

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Do explain which developed country hands out money just for being poor.

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America has foodstamps. United kingdom has income support. Canada hasincome support assistance programmes.

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You are seriously stating that is the same as doling out 1000 rupees. More so you are saying its a better use of our resources than infusing it into our education sector?

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Great ! Now does economy of these countries depend on DONORS, IMF’s loan and CHARITY from FRIENDS ??? if yes then Pakistan should follow them, if not then Pakistan should work on the development of its rural areas by spending money on them… instead of throwing this 50 Billion in away, they can develop atleast 10 small towns spending Rs 5 Billion on each of them, i am sure by this the poort families will not have to beg for rs 1000 instead they can make lot more than this and that is by honorable way…