Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Our own people are already embarassing us by calling for her head to be cut off. She doesn't even need to do anything, we're already being ridiculed for being barbaric.
Everything you are accusing people of is based on your own extrapolations of what they said. Get a grip of yourself.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Folks, kindly wait till you hear more about this story being true...
The following is not related to Britney since I will not (and should not) talk about this deal till the "news" is validated.
About passing judgement and not: A person has to know what Islam is before he/she can become muslim... by taking things to the point of whether one should say the Shahadah or not (before any exploration) does not make sense. Do you really dive into a body of water before finding out the depth, flow or temperature etc.?
The Shahadah is an affirmation of a covenant you make with God. It requires that you explore the system (atleast to a theoretical point), and see the value in it before you decide to be part of it in terms of applying it in daily life and becoming part of a system.
If anythying, a person who does not do the above is him/herself judgemental, and not those who try to point out that making a "causal" shahadah does not signifiy a covenant, but rather signifies being unserious about the whole thing thereby reducing it to a game of identity crisis.
Islam is not about being "politically correct". It is what it is...
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Any way, all this is just much ado 'bout nothing.
She has a right to live the way she likes.
Her bf has. A right to live his way.
She is obviously very unhappy with her ciurrent sitiuation and hopes things will improve if she marries this guy and convert.
Anyone with an ounce of humanity in them and who knows the recent terrible things that have happened to her would exercise some pity and pray for her to achieve some peace and happiness.
Instead of doing that, you guys are trying to 'protect' islam from her. That only shows how little YOU think of islam. Good to know. Sad though.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
I dont know what muslims will get if she embrace islam.
Why the hell ppl should care what religion other person is converting to?
Because Muslims unfortunately have an inferiority complex
when they see white people convert to Islam, that legitimize Islam and makes them happy
look, Islam is right because white people are converting to Islam
Anyways, Muslims have always been looking for their White Islamic Saviour
When Neil Armstrong (1st man on the moon) went to Egypt, he heard the Azan (call to prayer) and liked the sound of it
Rumour spread that he heard this sound while he was on the moon and on the moon he converted to Islam
So its this kind of nonsense which really annoys me
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Semi, are you really going to fight the semantics now. What I mean is everything she is known for her or attributed to is foreign to Islam or in other words things that are not associated with one who should be following Islam. Its a just a figurative sentence not literal.
It's just strange to say someone is foreign to a religion. It implies that Islam is culturally based where the ideal Muslim is dark skinned and preferably Arab.
Obviously she does not currently follow any belief system that calls for modesty, humility, charity and chastity - but I would hesitant to say everything abuot here is foreign to a belief system that does call for those characteristics. Her behavior, yes. But not her.
Besides, when we are talking about Islam (except for those who are not considered *real *Muslims), it's all literal.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
For Tarik and M2K, personally I think one has to first learn to be a good humanbeing, or at least see the value in it. I have to make that very clear.
If someone thinks that be "becoming" "muslim" all their problems will vanish away is a childish thought. If you disagree, let me know.
When I say muslim, I mean someone who has seen the value and is serious in becoming part of the system prescribed in the Quran, not someone who would merely like to call him/herself a muslim while being selfish, untrustworthy, bigoted and indecent. There are many of that kind already... one more will make no difference for worse, and if that is what one wants to be, then sure they end up wasting their own time: They'd rather be doing something more productive (but yes it is their choice and their deed).
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
It's just strange to say someone is foreign to a religion. It implies that Islam is culturally based where the ideal Muslim is dark skinned and preferably Arab.
Obviously she does not currently follow any belief system that calls for modesty, humility, charity and chastity - but I would hesitant to say everything abuot here is foreign to a belief system that does call for those characteristics. Her behavior, yes. But not her.
Besides, when we are talking about Islam (except for those who are not considered *real *Muslims), it's all literal.
Oh!!!! People. Alright how about Aloof or if you could suggest a better word.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Folks, kindly wait till you hear more about this story being true...
The following is not related to Britney since I will not (and should not) talk about this deal till the "news" is validated.
About passing judgement and not: A person has to know what Islam is before he/she can become muslim... by taking things to the point of whether one should say the Shahadah or not (before any exploration) does not make sense. Do you really dive into a body of water before finding out the depth, flow or temperature etc.?
The Shahadah is an affirmation of a covenant you make with God. It requires that you explore the system (atleast to a theoretical point), and see the value in it before you decide to be part of it in terms of applying it in daily life and becoming part of a system.
If anythying, a person who does not do the above is him/herself judgemental, and not those who try to point out that making a "causal" shahadah does not signifiy a covenant, but rather signifies being unserious about the whole thing thereby reducing it to a game of identity crisis.
Islam is not about being "politically correct". It is what it is...
JAK. Exactly, people especially some in this thread, think Shahada is the first step into Islam and fashionally it has been made so by many. I think the reason for seeking Islam is of utmost importance and the person should explore what it is they seek out of religion before they start calling themselves an adherent of it.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Sara, I agree with what you are saying. This is a trend. However, to say that we need to be convicting this woman of apostasy in the event that she does "convert", because we must assume this conversion is false, is a complete joke. THAT's what I'm getting heated up against. I don't disagree that if BS (hah, what irony) does decide to "convert" it would probably be insincere. But this idea of somehow some muslim man thinks he's got the right to call for a woman's death because he doubts her conversion is just gibberish. These sorts of "conversions" take place every darn day nearly - and how many of these women have been executed? Making sense?
These guys are just jumping because the Queen of Sex is thinking of converting into their religion, and they can't stand the sight of that. Which is the exact OPPOSITE attitude you should have to these things. Didn't prostitutes and women conducting illicit activities convert to Islam in the Prophet's day, or did he execute them when they converted, because he doubted their conversion? Is there anything on record where he executed a woman who converted for marriage reasons, and where he thought the conversion wasn't sincere?
Then HOW the hell should I not say anything regarding psyah's remarks?
Now explain this to Mr. US Resident. His mind can't handle so much common sense all at once, without him getting degrading when he doesn't agree with someone else.
Totally agree with your stance.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
I doubt if Britney is reverting to Islam. And even if it is true, in Islam, everyone is welcome. Masha Allah… khush amdeed. May everyone become a muslim. More the better. May all muslims have multiple kids. Alhamdollilah.
On a related note, on Sunday, Britney Spears went into a fashion shop with her beau - Adnan Ghalib. In between changing clothes, she came out completely naked (oops). There is a possibility she may be pregnant again (makes you wonder why there is a license requirement for driving cars or to get married, but no license requirement for having babies). You can’t trust **Fox news **](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323271,00.html)completely, but, as the saying goes, where there is smoke, there is fire.
Wallah o Aalim. Lets save our energies for now.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Folks, kindly wait till you hear more about this story being true...
The following is not related to Britney since I will not (and should not) talk about this deal till the "news" is validated.
About passing judgement and not: A person has to know what Islam is before he/she can become muslim... by taking things to the point of whether one should say the Shahadah or not (before any exploration) does not make sense. Do you really dive into a body of water before finding out the depth, flow or temperature etc.?
The Shahadah is an affirmation of a covenant you make with God. It requires that you explore the system (atleast to a theoretical point), and see the value in it before you decide to be part of it in terms of applying it in daily life and becoming part of a system.
If anythying, a person who does not do the above is him/herself judgemental, and not those who try to point out that making a "causal" shahadah does not signifiy a covenant, but rather signifies being unserious about the whole thing thereby reducing it to a game of identity crisis.
Islam is not about being "politically correct". It is what it is...
This is all fine to tell someone who is thinking to convert. But this doesn't mean you have a right to BLOCK someone from converting, nor is it appropriate to talk about someone's conversion as being false when you don't know the reality of things. Simple.
Dave Chapelle converted to Islam years ago, and he's been doing comedy shows with full cursing and inappropriate sexual jokes - I don't see anything ag/him.
Rumors of a possibly child molestor Michael Jackson converting to Islam, and there were nothing but Mashallah's all around.
Akon, an American-Senegalese rapper is muslim AND practices polygamy IN the United States and when you hear his interviews, he knows nearly nothing about polygamy or Islam. Where are the 10-mile threads on him??
Face it, its a situation of sheer discrimination. She's 1. a woman; 2. a woman with a "bad" reputation in the eyes of conservative muslims around the world.
Therefore she can't POSSIBLY be serious about converting to anything.
Faisal's article posted above shows there are some SERIOUS mental issues at work in this woman, and I for one, someone who never gave a damn about her work, is hoping that she gets better. From one human to another.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Add this to the long list of illustrious converts along with Mike Tyson...:D
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
PCG please be attentive:
First off, I was not talking about Britney. I have made that clear…
I used to be a musician myself; created house, trance, rock, metal you name it, and I created it because I think it served a purpose (I created music using opensource and freeware apps and wanted to make a statement that one has to use creativity: Commercialism is not the only way to create something nice).
I stopped composing music not because I think that music is bad thing, but because I enjoy reading and interpreting the Quran, and through this I can serve humanity even more (but that’s just me). Granted that I always had been a “muslim” but my “change” brought be no “Mashallahs”… and I am not expecting any 
Secondly, not blocking either… read post #86 http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=5607785&postcount=86
My thinking is that I must voice my opinion about what a covenent is, and why and how a convenant is to be undertaken. It is not an Arabic incantation that is magical in nature.
I personally know of a guy who used to do drugs and sell them too. And now, I consider him among the most brilliant and selfless people around, in fact, he has corrected me on many Quranic verses. In many ways, he has been an inspiration but he did not wake up one day and said, “I’ll be muslim”: It was a lenghty process that took him years. So I am not ruling out that people can (and do) change.
Third, a majnoon person is exempt from the covenant since he/she is not able to comprehend it’s value. This does not mean I am discriminating against people with special mental needs. It is a fact: Just like they cannot be court witnesses… Can Britney be a court witness?
Speaking of Britney, here are some other comments by non-muslims:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:qAhXIsd_BC8J:www.israellycool.com/2008/01/14/britney-in-a-burqa/+britney+islam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ca
http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/ISLAM-Britney-Spears-t234903.html&pid=2836383
http://www.topix.com/entertainment/2008/01/britney-spears-turns-to-islam-for-paparazzo-boyfriend
Finally, why are you dragging gender into this? In which post of mine did you see (or have ever seen) gender bias? And from what I have noticed on this thread, I think other examples would have had similar responses. I think you are looking too much into the gender thing in this case.
Best regards
Hypnotix-2000 (ranked among the top 50s on MP3.Com’s metal charts in 2001)
PS: You make “conversion” sound like someone has to sire a new muslim (like a vampire) or that conversion is like saving an MS Word file as a TXT file.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Britney this, britney that. ...she's like a frickin plague.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
[big]Our own people are already embarassing us by calling for her head to be cut off.** She doesn't even need to do anything, we're already being ridiculed for being barbaric.
Peace PyariCgudia
Absolutely no one has called for this here ... you are presenting red-herrings ... my posts were more aimed at the Muslims than her.
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
Twist your words however you want to get out of this situation. What you've written is what you have written, and its clear that you think that in the event she were to convert, you feel action should be taken against her.
If you don't feel this way, then you need to watch how you are communicating in English.
Peace PyariCgudia
Please read post number 70 item number 6) and you will see exactly why I write what I write ... My whole argument is geared around protecting the image of Islam by minimising the risk of converting out of Islam once inside it due to ignorant conversion to Islam in the first place and also it is based around a sense of responsibility on the Muslims NOT to condemn such people for converting out of Islam if they didn't do their best to give the true Islamic information upfront before hearing the Shahadah off someone.
Please bhain "reasonable" banno ...
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
It will be nice to see her convert.........Atleast the mullas in Pakistan and some in GS will have some work to do....issuing fatwas against her ?
Peace Rocking vibes
I don't think you get it ... And neither does PyariCgudia
When a person converts into Islam their sins are forgiven ... they are like babies again. There is no way that an 'alim can rightfully begin to start issuing fatawas of punishment against Britney should she decide to convert to Islam. There is NO way that I have been implying that from the beginning ... rather people wanted to understand that from my posts and have found themselves on the wrong footing.
I have been arguing for the concept that should she become Muslims and then convert back out then according to correct injunctions of "freedom of religion" she may do so as long as she does not do it with an intent to damage Islam, or else that would be treason and that is punishable. However, even if some damage is done to Islam it may not entirely be her fault .... cue ... the Muslims should ensure she knows what she is getting herself into in the first place.
Hypothetically that is ... that the article is true!
Re: Britney wants to embrace Islam
We shall discuss the topic further if we hear about some development in this regard 
Have a nice day 