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"Conspiracy against Muslims." "No Muslim can do that."
No wait !!! he was a jew or maybe a hindu. Look he was not circumcised...
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Muslim world! Get ready for more drone strikes!
Interestingly enough, Obama just announced new plans to pull back on drone strikes and also more transparency on the use of drones 
Not to derail the thread, but when are we going to start getting more upset the atrocities Muslims inflict upon their own people , rather than what the big, bad West is doing…
As the saying goes, “Islam is the best religion, yet has the worst followers”
Astaghfirullah.
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Yes, that's what I am saying. I have a lot of friends who are not Muslims but still say, MashAllah, inshAllah and Alhamdulillah and they know the meaning too, so I stick to my opinion.
Well, Khatti sorry I can't make it to watch the video, because already I saw his pic with all that knife and blood and it made me throw out almost, so I don't want to watch the video. Would you tell me what he is saying? Even if he is saying something in Arabic or reciting any Ayat that proves him a Muslim, I won't believe. Anyone can do that! Anyways, that's my opinion. I don't mind anyone disagreeing!
Lol wut?
Do you think your opinion even matters when the fact of the matter is he is indeed a muslim, he is indeed bitter about the atrocities UK and USA have committed and this was his way of revenge. Why are you in denial about a muslim doing this?
Anyway, what the guy was saying made sense.. he made a point. But his point became redundant and ineffective when he chose to slaughter that person and leave him in the middle of the road. So now we have the likes of EDL wanting to burn down mosques again. Horrific.
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There is a link
Prominent British Muslim radical leader Anjem Choudary told CNN on Thursday that he knew one of the men named on social media as carrying out the Woolwich knife attack.
Choudary said the suspect had attended demonstrations and a few lectures organized by Choudary's group Al-Muhajiroun.
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I think I’ve been talking about Syrian conflict more than others if you go through my posts…so I’m not shying away from violent attacks being carried out by extreme Muslims.
If you follow the news, you’d see a pattern of drone attacks after incidents like this in Western world. So I was only referring to that phenomena.
And I don’t know who said Islam has the worst followers. I can’t believe that. Most Muslims are harmless and love their religion. 
Is it me..or i have noticed rise of radicalization in UK?. In youtube there are couple of imams or something..who openly insight terrorism and killing of non muslims and yet UK govt has been quiet about that.
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Just sad that these kind of incidents are happening. It calls for a lot of introspection...
Why? Do you somewhere deep down feel like carrying out these kinds of attacks? If not, then no introspection needed.
What is baffling is where all these rats are coming from. Most Muslims take in such news with the standard questions: "Who? What? Why?" Then they try to fill in the gaps with either self flagellation or conspiracy theories. Neither of which help.
In any case, I don't think these are random acts...there's clearly central figures who incite...and they should be brought up on charges.
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Is it me..or i have noticed rise of radicalization in UK?. In youtube there are couple of imams or something..who openly insight terrorism and killing of non muslims and yet UK govt has been quiet about that.
its a sad fact but is true. What we have is jaahil pindh type imports that pass their hate onto the next generation and its become a vicious cycle. Just the other day an imam got done for £500,000 worth of crack possession in my city. I get that there are dodgy priests about aswell. But we can only change our own religion (or the mindset of it). We all need to condemn this. At the same time the government has to take a long hard look at their foreign policies cuz thats what this was fueled by. Nobody is innocent here. Not these jaahil dogs and not the "western saviours". The only victims here are us...
At least david cameron acknowledged normal muslims like us and that islam doesnt teach what we are seeing on TV so hats off to him for that
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I am waiting for the following comment to be posted (and I promise you that it's coming,).
"Wow a whole thread on some non Muslim person died on the streets of London, and dozens of people get killed by drone attacks in Pakistan every week and no one utters a word"
How about:
"Those who bleeb on in horror about this incident yet remain silent on drone attacks in Pakistan, (which are far more costly in terms of human lives, and far more consistent), does indeed expose a severe hypocrasy. Yet there is no doubting that this particular crime, indpenedent of any others, cannot be dismissed by Muslims around the world, and those in the West in particular, as being irrelevant or outside of their sphere of concern."
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So disgusting!!!
Do they really think they are helping?! All these nutjobs just gives the rest of the Muslims who want to live in peace a bad image!
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lol... I have a 5 year old niece that acts like you... If she has her mind set on something, then the sky isnt blue, people can fly, and it doesnt matter what you show or say to her. It is the way it is, and she will stick her fingers in her ears and ignore every bit of reality regardless, just like you...
Don't throw a hissy-fit because someone else has a differing opinion. Everyone does not have to conform to the same thought-process. Everyone's entitled to their opinion however wrong or right it may be.
It's funny the likes of me preach tolerance, day, night, even in our sleep but God Forbid someone should disagree with something based on their own beliefs/justification. Hypocrisy within me will be my doom; not my preaching of lopsided tolerance.
Your niece may be closer to the truth because she doesn't have the corrupted view of world through a "fixed" angle of viewing things like adults do. Don't children just speak their minds! poor example to ridicule someone for having a different view of things (right or wrong). :)
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Don't throw a hissy-fit because someone else has a differing opinion. Everyone does not have to conform to the same thought-process. Everyone's entitled to their opinion however wrong or right it may be.
It's funny the likes of me preach tolerance, day, night, even in our sleep but God Forbid someone should disagree with something based on their own beliefs/justification. Hypocrisy within me will be my doom; not my preaching of lopsided tolerance.
Your niece may be closer to the truth because she doesn't have the corrupted view of world through a "fixed" angle of viewing things like adults do. Don't children just speak their minds! poor example to ridicule someone for having a different view of things (right or wrong). :)
Hissy fit? Denial off or refusing to accept something thats right in front of you in a 5 year old is considered a hissy fit. In an Adult its a mental disorder that needs treatment.
Did you even read the comment? I WILL not accept this person was a Muslim no matter what you say or show me... I dont think you even understand the actual exchange. You seem to labor under the illusion that said person actually had an opinion for me to disagree with. I disagree not with her supposed opinion, but with her close mindedness. Telling someone you have made up your mind and nothing can change that is not an OPINION.
Personally i couldn't care less what this anonymous person on the net thinks, but its rather disturbing to come across someone who says, I REFUSE to believe this person was a Muslim REGARDLESS of what evidence you show me. Thats not a difference of opinion, thats out right mental. There is no room for discussion with such people, you can only describe them as childish or somehow mentally disturbed.
Your tolerance speech is wasted on people who dont even think there is a problem which should warrant any questions of tolerance and harmony.
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Opinions change all the time. What someone believes to be the truth today, can be different later.
What someone says, may seem like madness to you, but in fact they would have a justification for it. Will you go around judging people’s hearts? Would you accept someone to judge you with the same measuring stick for your views?
My post wasn’t a speech of any sort. I lack the eloquence. It was just my view on how we’re always ready to lynch others that don’t tow the conformed view of things.
I do believe this incident to be a heinous crime; one that cannot be justified by any measure of sanity. But that’s where I stop; I won’t cast judgements on people, they have their prerogative and they’re entitled to it. You would deliberately ignore the poster condemning this incident, and highlight only that which differs from your view and displeases you. I’m sorry, but that’s very narrow-minded, and intolerant. The irony!
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Im calling a spade a spade… And anyone in my book who childishly and stubornly refuses to acknowledge reality regardless of what is presented is someone who is as worthy as a Five year old. I would consider it cute in children, but deluded and rather sad in an adult.
Im not casting judgment on people who think otherwise, infact I think they have a great deal of merit in their argument, read this great article by Glenn Greenwald,
Was the London killing of a British soldier ‘terrorism’? | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
thats an oppinion.
Im casting judgment on someone who says I have made up my mind and so dont even bother trying to change my view. Thats childish, and you know it. Such close mindedness doesnt breed healthy exchange of ideas, it breeds inclusiveness and intolerance.
By tolerance speech I was referring to your mention of calling for tolerance day and night in the previous post.
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Disengagement only reaffirms their wrongful views. Isolation may lead to more of a stern view. What do you lose from continually engaging and sharing your point of view, if you're right the other person may eventually see it even if they don't admit it openly. If you're wrong, you'll eventually realize and learn from it, if the intent is honest.
We're both saying the same thing. Lets leave it. All I'm saying is, lets not be on each others' throats for differing views. No one has to dress their words the same way, and no one is required to believe in the same thing. Condemnation has been present throughout, and that's what's important because it shows no one approves of it regardless of the justification the murderer may be offering.
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So now we have the likes of EDL wanting to burn down mosques again.
And that is going to fuel even more hatred amongst the extremists for the UK. This just keeps getting worse by the day... a never-ending cycle.
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Disengagement only reaffirms their wrongful views. Isolation may lead to more of a stern view. What do you lose from continually engaging and sharing your point of view, if you're right the other person may eventually see it even if they don't admit it openly. If you're wrong, you'll eventually realize and learn from it, if the intent is honest.
We're both saying the same thing. Lets leave it. All I'm saying is, lets not be on each others' throats for differing views. No one has to dress their words the same way, and no one is required to believe in the same thing. Condemnation has been present throughout, and that's what's important because it shows no one approves of it regardless of the justification the murderer may be offering.
I havent said anything to the poster beyond that small exchange, until you brought it up.
Beyond that, I have no issue with differing opinion, but close mindedness, thats a different matter. You and I both acknowledge the value of a forum on which one can openly discuss the issues and perhaps learn something in the process.. But what is the purpose of even being on a forum if you have already made up your mind? Sort of defeats the purpose doesn't it...
Condemnation is important, but then so is acknowledgement of certain uncomfortable facts, and the self reflection that comes of it.
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And why would Obama do that, khatti, had Pakistanis/Muslims not pressurized him into doing so by speaking out against the illegal attacks? We can’t just tell people to pay more attention to what’s happening in the middle east than what’s happening in their own country. If you see a Pakistani condemning what the UN calls immoral and unethical policies such as the drone attacks, he’s not doing it just for the sake of defaming the West but because it’s an issue that is very relevant to Pakistan, it’s something that has directly affected the country.
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And why would Obama do that, khatti, had Pakistanis/Muslims not pressurized him into doing so by speaking out against the illegal attacks? We can't just tell people to pay more attention to what's happening in the middle east than what's happening in their own country. If you see a Pakistani condemning what the UN calls immoral and unethical policies such as the drone attacks, he's not doing it just for the sake of defaming the West but because it's an issue that is very relevant to Pakistan, it's something that has directly affected the country.
Drones are only as legal or illegal as anything else that goes on in war time. If anything, they had the tacit approval of the Pak govt or military.
If the best argument against drones is that they violate Pakistani sovereignty and kill civilians, well then Pakistan doesnt have sovereignty other then on paper, in the areas under drone strikes, and more civilians have been killed by the terrorists then any number of drone strikes not only in FATA but across the country without any intervention by those tasked with protecting Pakistani civilians.